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Bill Gabel
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Miramax
Scope 2.40 (print digital created from 3 pref neg)
SRD / SDDS / DTS / SR (2 discs)
9 Reels
Technicolor (Show Prints)
Deluxe (Release Prints)

TES
TRT:137 minutes

Trailers: On Head "Hero" (may be mounted by TES)
Loose:
  • "Seed of Chucky"
    "Van Helsing"
    "Shall We Dance"
    "King Arthur"
    "Stepford Wives, The"
    "I, Robot'"
Note: Reel 1 is in B&W (reel 1 is 9 minutes long), and you have on some reels those chapter fade-outs and fade-ins like the first film at some of the reel changes. And those sound tones are here again like the first film.
The end credits are very long from the first name to the blooper scene at the very end. The credits run just over 12 minutes.
NOTE IN CAN FROM TES.
Please note REEL ONE of this print of KILL BILL VOL.2 is printed on B&W film stock with a color trailer print of "HERO" attacted.
Due to increased heat absorption, you may need to adjust focus at the changeover or transition to Reel 2.

Also, there is an audible beep 205 feet into Reel 2. This is intentional and should not be cause for concern.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Miramax Films

[ 04-12-2004, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: Bill Gabel ]

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John Pytlak
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If Reel 1 is indeed silver-image B&W, you may need to refocus between the B&W and color section because the silver image B&W will absorb more heat during projection. Most likely to see a difference at high power levels and with shorter focal length lenses.

It's very important to use proper heat filtration (dichroic mirror or filter) and not "hot spot" the lamp with B&W silver image film. A large lamp that is focused to a "hot spot" can literally burn or blister the film.

Here is information about heat damage issues:

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/fall97.shtml

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/pytlak/winter97.shtml

http://www.film-tech.com/manuals/H5033.pdf

http://www.film-tech.com/manuals/H5034.pdf

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Peter Kerchinsky
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I built a print tonight for a "press" screening Wednesday and it came on 9 reels, not 8 as previously stated. The first reel is indeed B&W and I had one hell of a time on certain reels trying to find frame lines with the fade outs and fade ins.
Also we did not get any trailers or DTS discs with the print.
I think, not too sure, but the cans said print 0010.
And, of course, some reels were heads up and some tails out. Whjat else is new with TES. [puke]

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Christopher Seo
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quote:
Scope 2.40 (print digital created from 3 pref neg)
Does this mean it was shot in Super35?

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John Pytlak
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quote:
Does this mean it was shot in Super35?

The "Super Panavision 35 3-Perf" Camera aperture is 0.980 x 0.546 inches. The area "extracted" for 2.39:1 35mm "scope" release would usually be 0.945 x 0.394 inches:

http://www.cameraguild.com/magazine/stoo1003.htm

quote:
Tarantino always visualized Kill Bill as a widescreen (2.4:1 aspect ratio) movie. Richardson prefers shooting in anamorphic format, because of the degradation of image quality inherent to the optical extraction required by the Super 35 format.

“Casino was the only film I’ve shot in Super 35 format,” he says, “and I was terribly disappointed with the release print quality. It was devastating to me. Quentin had a similar experience with Reservoir Dogs. Films stocks and lenses have improved, but there is still a chasm (separating the Super 35 and anamorphic formats).”

The problem was that Tarantino had written specific “zoom” lens shots into the script. Richardson felt that the anamorphic zoom lenses available from Panavision didn’t provide a fast enough T-stop to properly execute those shots. That drove the decision to use a digital intermediate process. That approach enabled Richardson to shoot with spherical lenses in Super 35 format and “squeeze” the images into a 2.4:1 aspect ratio during digital mastering. Basically, the edited cut of the negative is scanned and converted to digital files. The images are timed for shot-to-shot and scene-to-scene continuity in a digital suite, and then recorded out to an intermediate film used as a master for release printing. It’s a familiar tactic for Richardson, who has shot many commercials that have been converted to digital format and manipulated in telecine suites. However, this is his first experience with a “film-out” from a digital intermediate.

He suggested shooting Kill Bill in three-perforation 35mm format. That trimmed film and lab costs by 25 percent. Richardson explains that essentially covered costs for the digital intermediate process. There is no downside, since the digital files can be recorded out to a four-perf 35mm color intermediate film with no loss of picture quality.

Front-end processing and release printing were slated for Technicolor Labs, in Los Angeles. Tarantino agreed with Richardson’s suggestion about creating and timing a digital file at Technique, the lab’s subsidiary in the Los Angeles area.



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Steve Kraus
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I have here a print with R1 B&W-on-color-stock. Curiously, an extra space in one of the the shipping cases is padded out with a one-roll shipping box from Deluxe labeled "Kill Bill Vol. 2 Reel 1" like the reel had been replaced. Damaged reel replacement or getting rid of true B&W I do not have any way of knowing.

No printed C/O dots on this R1.

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Bill Gabel
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All the B&W on B&W stock reel ones that I have run have had C/O cues printed.

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Steve Kraus
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I spoke too soon; Bill is correct. It's out in the black and of course lopped off in terms of platter build and splice location by whoever screened this particular print in Springfield, IL. If only there were prints reserved for reel to reel users.

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Brad Miller
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For those who can't find the proper place to cut...

REEL 1 ends in fade to black. Film should be cut for platter or large reel buildup exactly 12 feet and 4 frames from the 4th changeover cue dot on the first set of changeover cues. Don't bother looking for any helpful lines or markings. Just use your frame counter.

REEL 5 and 6 start with a fade up. Film should be cut 3 feet after the "3" on the countdown. (Note for some reason Deluxe decided to number their countdown leaders "11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 2". The "2" is really the "3" I am referring to.)

REEL 5 ends with a fade to black. The leader is clearly labeled where to cut.

The REEL 1 I handled was indeed black and white printed on color stock.


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Mark J. Marshall
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Another rule of thumb when cutting tails on fade to black reels is that there should be 24 frames (1 second) of film left starting with the first frame after the last frame with a change over cue.

My reel 1 is B&W stock. The label on the can said "KILL BILL V 2 TOP SELECT -9-" all in large letters. Could the "TOP SELECT" be an indicator of a B&W stock reel 1 print? The rest of the print is Kodak Vision. And no focus shifting issues here between reels 1 & 2.

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