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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
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posted 05-17-2004 04:37 PM
Brad: I hope that a Cannes showing counts as 'after the trade screening' as mentioned in your guidelines. Please feel free to delete the post if you feel it doesn't.
quote: Controversial documentary-maker Michael Moore's intensely political new film, Fahrenheit 9/11, was screened for the world's media at the Cannes Film Festival on Monday. Disney has refused to release this film, other distributors also seem reluctant and - if Moore is to be believed - the White House wants to stop it being seen.
The reason is if viewers take the film at face value, they will think George Bush is a fraudulent and possibly corrupt president who went to war in Iraq because of a half-baked motivation of grudge, greed and thirst for power.
But this is a Michael Moore film and, while that does not mean he is wrong, it must be watched with a critical eye.
Moore wants Bush removed from office.
He is determined to have this film released before the US presidential election in November for that very reason.
The film's conclusions are reached through a mixture of firm evidence, interesting information, moving scenes and tenuous theories. Starting with the presidential election in 2000, it firmly plants the idea that Bush's election - thanks to just 537 votes in Florida - was not exactly free and fair.
The first conspiratorial link comes when he identifies the Fox News Channel employee who took the decision to report that Bush had won Florida on election night - when all other channels were reporting an Al Gore win - as Bush's first cousin. If true, it is an interesting piece of trivia - but hardly proof of a family plot to steal the presidency.
He introduces 11 September with a blank screen and chilling audio of planes hitting the Twin Towers and the cries of those on the ground. Moore also has footage of Bush sitting in a school classroom, reading a children's book with pupils, for more than 10 minutes after being told the second plane had hit. The film-maker said this full footage had not been seen before because no-one had asked the teachers at the school whether they had captured it on camcorder.
One of Moore's chief accusations is Bush allowed planes to pick up 24 members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the US in the days following the attacks - when all other aircraft were grounded. To back this up, he shows a document that seems to list them - and uses it as a base from which to explore the relationships between the Bush and Bin Laden dynasties.
They go back to Bush's military days, Moore says - and produces military records apparently showing the future president was in the Texas Air National Guard with a man who it says went on to sell a plane to one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers. When Bush was trying to make his way as a Texan oil magnate, this same man was hired by the Bin Ladens to invest their money in Texas, and he in turn invested money in Bush's company, the film says.
Moore asserts that prominent Saudis invested in Bush's ailing companies to get access to his father, the former US president. But aside from the original military records, there is little proof to firm up links Moore goes on to make. The result is the oil and arms companies the Saudis invested in, and the Bush family and their inner circle have interests in, profited from the aftermath of 11 September, Moore says.
Moore won an Oscar for his last film, Bowling for Columbine. Using a clip of former US head of counter-terrorism Richard Clarke talking about how Bush immediately wanted to find an Iraq link to the attacks, the film moves on to Afghanistan and Iraq.
The Afghanistan section - including a screen shot of a BBC News Online story - is a claim that the military action in Afghanistan was really about laying a natural gas pipeline across the country. But the Iraq section is more substantial, and changes the film's direction - using interviews with US soldiers, footage of civilian suffering and highly moving testimony from bereaved parents of US servicemen.
The film shows graphic footage of corpses of US soldiers being burnt, dragged behind a truck and strung up, and a scene of US soldiers apparently mistreating Iraqi prisoners.
All the while, persuasive army recruiters are followed as they try to sign up young people in Moore's deprived hometown of Flint, Michigan. So Moore went to Washington to try to persuade Congressmen to send their children to Iraq - the son of only one Congressman is in service there, Moore says.
Moore himself appears less in this film than he has in his previous documentaries, leaving most of the talking to politicians, soldiers, parents, experts and assorted real Americans.
There is highly selective editing, but the story is not totally one-sided. For example, there are soldiers in Iraq who believe in their mission, as well as those who say they are disillusioned. But the movie's conclusions - true or otherwise - and highly emotional interviews with bereaved parents and injured soldiers will have a big impact on audiences around the world.
URL of review.
From this it sounds like a similar pattern of strengths and weaknesses to that of Columbine - an important underlying issue, and to a certain extent you can sympathise with his agenda. But he crosses the line from at least attempting to maintain some sort of balance into out-and-out rant territory just too far for you to buy it, in the last instance.
Still, if he manages to find a British distributor, I'll be interested to see it.
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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
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posted 06-24-2004 03:08 PM
Went to a preview screening... And it did have it's moments...
The last third was the most moving, but overall, I can see where this film can encourage hatred on any political level, on either side.
But for me, none of this was news. I have been following this very closely, and as a news and history buff, I know all of the facts presented. It was more entertaining to see how the film was pieced together.
Those that hate bush will hate him just the same, those that love bush will never even see the movie, and those that are on the fence, well they are just idiots for having NO opinion of thier own and letting ANYONE give it to them.
This film will have as much political impact as myself running for president. I will get one vote and it will be mine, because I am a narcisist. It would have had better impact if it had been released, say... october 9th?
This is the summer when those that are not political junkies are out having fun, not paying attention to this stuff. They don't care for now, and by the time they do care, it will all be over anyway.
The timing of this film is to sell tickets, plain and simple. And sell them it will! I recommend the film to all. It has much humor, and most of it is from President Bush! He actually is a pretty humourous guy, even when he isn't trying to be, and sometimes he just comes off like a dork, but a funny dork. I like the guy, but he is funny. I like moore, he is also funny, but the first half of the film he spends too much time trying to paint a picture that the last half does it all by itself.
So yeah, its good, go see it. But take it for what it is, forget the fact that moore wants to dethrone bush, so what. I saw Along Came Polly and I didn't bitch about that piece of crap robbing me blind now did i?
Ok, I am done eulagizing.
CIao
Dave
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