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Author Topic: Grindhouse Keith Peticolas Expert Film Handler Posts: 108 From: Eagle River, Alaska, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 04-05-2007 12:37 PM                     Wow... that was fun for the first half and very painful and unfun for the second half. Robert Rodriquez's (Planet of Terror) part was a great bloody zombie movie. Excellent. Q.Tarentino's (Death Proof) sucked coal and spit diamonds. What a boring 90 minutes. Had about 5 minutes worth watching and 85 minutes of supposedly cool hip cat Tarentino dialog. Imagine Samual L. Jackson's lines from Pulp Fiction...just his lines, mind you...over and over and over until you want to rip your ears off. The fake splice lines during every scene change (Death Proof again) were cute until they stopped half way through. Endless scenes of one take of yakkedy yak that have nothing to do with the story. Planet of Terror on the other hand was just neato. Lots of blood and guts. The Grindhouse effect was really overblown and added to the 70's feel of the movie. Just don't bother with the second half. The fake trailers were all better the the entire Death Proof movie. People will nod off during the endless speeches about...hell it was so bad I have mostly forgotten what the girls were going on about. Kurt Russell was okay, but was not used enough. More of him and less of whatever the hell that was. Thumbs up for bloody zombies and the second half gets the finger.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-05-2007 02:47 PM                     The fake splice lines drove me NUTS!!! It was horribly distracting...moreso than all of the film damage on Rodriguez's feature. I felt like attacking that thing with the ultrasonic splicer. Overall the film effects were total bullshit. Only the basic "positive dirt" looked realistic. Everything else was fake, fake, fake. When there is a splice resulting in a jump cut...the audio changes at the same time. The film jumping the sprockets was ridiculous...we shouldn't see BOTH edges of the sprockets on screen (along with no soundtrack) and it shouldn't just drop right back onto the track and keep running either. When the film burns in the gate it shouldn't have made all sort of burning noise through the sound system. The scratches shouldn't magically disappear or change positions at camera changes. Even the splice lines should've had 4 slightly crooked lines running across the middle of the frame, not one perfectly level every time. After all we are seeing 4 splicing tape edges per splice. I could go on and on, but everyone here will watch it and laugh at how bad the effects are. Plus the old grindhouses didn't have a kickin' 6 channel sound system back then either, but oh well it was fun anyway. I'll report more on this later. Don't have the time now.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-05-2007 04:05 PM                     Once the train leaves the tracks, it isn't magically getting back on the rails. Pretty similar for film traveling through a projector. Major movie productions often hire technical advisers for roles involving military service people, cops, doctors, fire fighters, etc. It's kind of sad to think Hollywood movie makers need to hire a film projectionist technical adviser! Shouldn't they know better?  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 04-05-2007 07:29 PM                        True. The only reasonably accurate depiction of film projection I have seen was in The Family Way. Even the revered Cinema Paradiso was flawed. Few film makers know much about film projection.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-05-2007 07:43 PM                        quote: Brad Miller When the film burns in the gate it shouldn't have made all sort of burning noise through the sound system. That's hilarious! I think it's sad that I can shoot something on video and add fake film damage that is far more convincing that a real professional production, and even with my stuff I think it could look better/more convincing than what I actually achieve. White scratches/specks always annoyed me. There should be very, very little of those.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 04-05-2007 07:53 PM                        It's ironic that Brad, herein proclaimed Grand Poo-Bah of quality film presention should have been consulted on the proper way to simulate "film done wrong". Those guys really missed the boat on that one! I'm sure I'll get complaints from the audience.  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-05-2007 11:15 PM                     I found the effects quite amusing. Didn't quite understand the color shift that happened once as that would have been a lab thing. Happened during part 1. Enjoyed the sound / presentation snipes. They played in mono. Part 2 was definately boring. Too much dialog in the middle, and right along with Allison, why did Kurt hunt down the girls on the second part. It made no sense. The "tape splices" at each scene change was a bit much. ETA: Joe, it was when the Lady Doctor went to grab the phone from the glovebox. Audiences will probably complain about the picture quality. I'll ask back, "what is right about the picture?". Har de har har. [ 04-06-2007, 03:46 AM: Message edited by: Paul Konen ]  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-06-2007 01:06 AM                        Are you talking about the color change effect that happens when Quentin is talking to those two bitches in the elevator or whatever? That made zero sense. And Quentin is not scary. He's funny.  |  IP: Logged Allison Parsons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 630 From: East Peoria, IL Registered: Oct 2004 posted 04-06-2007 02:42 AM                        1) If you trying to direct a movie that is suppose to feel like an old 70's movie...LEAVE OUT THE CELL PHONE USE IN YOUR MOVIE! 2)I liked Planet Terror more than Death Proof. PT did it's job in reminding me of an old B horror movie...minus the cell phones. Very over the top. Very gorey. DP started good and ended good. But please, leave out the 20 min conversation in the car and the dinner. Give us some background on why Kurt Russell is hunting girls with his car. 3)Highlight of the movie was the old 'Now your featured presentation" and "R-rated" movie spots. 4)It would have been nice if you gave me reels 1-12, instead of two sets of 1-6. But thats just me. All in all 3 1/2 out of 5 stars.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 04-06-2007 04:57 AM                     PLANET TERROR Cinema is good at showcasing excess. Some of the best movies out there, like KILL BILL, MAGNOLIA, etc., are also the most excessive. This is where PLANET TERROR succeeds. For less than an hour and a half, the story sure is epic. The makeup effects are over the top. The lighting consists of highly saturated primary colors. The editing is very staccato in nature. It's a hell of a lot of fun to watch. I was disappointed by the lack of realism in the film damage. It's obvious that it was used as punctuation in the movie. The type of damage and how it's presented was very carefully thought out. That ruins the illusion. This movie will be better when the film damage effects are removed. DEATH PROOF This movie has stuck with me, and the more I think about it, the more I appreciate it. Much like PULP FICTION, its characters meander through seemingly pointless dialogue, but it all comes into play further down the road (no pun intended). DEATH PROOF is an extremely dense movie. Its structure seems incredibly bizarre, but makes total sense. It's an hour and a half of setup with the payoff being one simple, yet brilliant shot. It takes a while to get where it's going, but it never veers off course, and it's time well spent.  |  IP: Logged Jarryd Beard Expert Film Handler Posts: 229 From: Hellertown, PA Registered: Jul 2004 posted 04-06-2007 10:50 AM                     I found it humorous that in Planet Terror the scratches and dirt were white in the dark scenes and black in the lighter scenes. Apparently, the film labs of the 70's were even worse than the grind house theatres.  |  IP: Logged Bernard Tonks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-06-2007 01:30 PM                     quote: Ron Curran True. The only reasonably accurate depiction of film projection I have seen was in The Family Way. With the exception that there was no film in the top spool box of No 2 projector!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-06-2007 02:54 PM                     quote: Jarryd Beard I found it humorous that in Planet Terror the scratches and dirt were white in the dark scenes and black in the lighter scenes. Apparently, the film labs of the 70's were even worse than the grind house theatres. It's just the new and improved "digital" dirt. Even better than analog dirt.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 04-06-2007 03:29 PM                     Planet Terror is one of, if not the best Rodriguez films ever. I hope they include the footage from the 'missing' reel into the DVD version. And I am not alone seeing that the first hour of 'Death Proof' appeared to be something you would see at the arthouse rather than the grindhouse. And WTF was up with the R7-R8 mid-scene reel change, with the repeated footage? Deja Vu, indeed. -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 04-06-2007 03:56 PM                     Apparently, overseas where the films will be released separately, all the missing footage will be reinstated in the theatrical versions  |  IP: Logged

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