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Topic: GANG TAPES Blacklisted?
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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08-08-2002 09:47 PM
HERE I know Aint It Cool News isnt exactly the most trustworthy outlet for information, but has anyone heard anything from their chains about this? ------------------ Find me online AOL: Dexter Caldwell yahoo!: dexter_caldwell "It is the opinion of the entire staff the Dexter is criminally insane."
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John Daily
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From: Upstate, NY, USA
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 08-11-2002 09:50 AM
I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to this exactly, but I will make it a point to go wherever I need to in order to see this. Blair Witch used this as a gimmick; for Gang Tapes this seems to be the best way to make personal (to those of us comfy behind our keyboards) a way of life that we can't comprehend. It is ugly, but people live this way, and that fascinates me. It's like self-genocide, and I don't understand it. I may never, but I feel the need to at least try. For the record, all people fascinate me. I enjoyed Titanic not because of the lame ficitonal romance, but because it got me into a year-long obsession to learn as much as I could about every documented passenger on board that ship.Gang Tapes seems to me, to be not exactly exploitation (if it did, I'd most certainly be agreeing with the rest of you). It would have been easy to just have these guys ad-lib throughout the whole film ala Blair Witch, but Adam Ripp took the time to have them 'translate' a written script into their vernacular, where he could have just tossed in a bunch of "Yos" and "40s" and called it good enough. Also, it is not just about senseless violence. This is a coming of age story. It's easy to write off an entire subculture, but what about the true innocents who have to survive within it? What about the young children who grow up with it because it's all they've been exposed to? In this movie, we see both sides, loving relationships within this subculture as well as the chaos. This is, by all accounts from those who have seen the film, as close as I'm going to get to understanding short of moving to Compton. Or Baltimore's Western. Or Syracuse's East side. Or...(pick your own metro area here).
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 08-12-2002 01:50 PM
Well put, John, but I was not putting the film down, well, maybe I was bemoaning the fact that it was filmed on video -- my exerience so far with that method of getting something on the screen has been quite negative -- if you film it in video, then it should be presented on video -- that's what public access cable, PBS and direct-to-DVD are for. When I go into a cinema, there is a certain expectation of a level of quality that offerings like BLAIR WITCH or CHELSEA WALLS simply don't meet. My point was simply that there is no "conspiracy" to prevent this particular film from playing in theatres. Why would anyone expect the chains to play a title that is obviously far off main-stream demographics? Hell, they won't EVER play anything but the top ten grossing pictures of the moment; they won't play foreign films unless they are one of the very few that move into that top grossing magic circle. For the most part, they won't even play indepentent titles. Lion's Gate is smart to play this in art houses which have been the mainstay of just such off-center titles. It is the kind of film that I would run in my theatre. I just don't see what all the moaning is about. Most independents market and play their films this way; the economic reality simply is that small films just don't get picked up by chains unless the distrib decides that he wants to spend 3 million on an ad campaign and see if he can get his unknow stars booked on all the morning talk shows. Short of that, forget about chains being interested, unless it's off season and there is no new product and LG wants to practically give it away. This is a business and it has some harsh realities.
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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
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posted 08-13-2002 08:42 AM
Bob,I appreciate your concern for the morals of the country, but I don't think that judging whether a film meets your standard of morality without first actually seeing it furthers your argument, especially when you make claims that "it is obvious it was made for its shock value...." Sorry, but there is no way for you to make this assumption from reading a review. There is nothing obvious about it, especially since the reviewer can hardly be considered capable of articulating or even understanding the intentions of the director, give the "review" he has written. There are many serious films, books and even paintings that touch on subjects that are might be personally unpleasant, but reveal part of human nature that we might not approve, yet they remain great works of art. Their validity isn't negated because of the subject matter, and many times it is exactly because of the treatment of the subject matter, as distastful as it may be, makes them important, enduring classics. Even the Bible is rife with stories that focus on aspects of man's immoral behavior. While it sheds light on this behavior, it certainly doesn't advocate it nor does the fact that you can read about adultery, murder, theft of birthrights, infidelity, fornication, etc. in the Bible, make the book "immoral." And in a pluralistic society, one man's immorality very often is another's inspiration. Personally, I find it immoral that certain segments of our society focus only on sexuality as the kingpin of what makes something moral or immoral, yet you rarely hear any complaints from this group about the unrelenting violence that is so pervasive in the media. Hence the old put-down of the MPAA rating system, "Show someone gently caressing a nipple and the film gets an X; show someone cutting the nipple off with a chainsaw, it gets an R." Suffice to say, the subject of this post was why the film was not picked up by the major chains. There are economic reasons for that that don't seem very mysterious and IMO don't constitute any conspiracy or blacklisting, just the normal economic pressures of the marketplace. As far as the content of the film and the way that content is portrayed, I contend before anyone can go off making moral judgments about it, they need to have seen it first. Frank
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Chad Souder
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posted 08-14-2002 09:31 AM
I will simply never buy the arguement that a movie, any movie (or album, book, or whatever art form you choose) will contribute to moral decline. I grew up watching plenty of G.I. Joe, I Spit on your Grave, Saving Private Ryan, Omen, Faces of Death, Jenna Loves Rocco, or whatever else one cares to list as being inappropriate to children. I have never been in a fight, been in jail (except on a tour during a criminology class I was taking), drank heavily, fantasized about doing things with little boys, or whatever. I think people who have the opinion that movies hurt morals are pointing the blame in the wrong direction, away from the parents where it belongs. Desensitization is another issue, however, and I do believe I have been desensitized to a lot of violence, sex, drug use, etc. It doesn't make me want to do them, it just makes me care a little less when I see it happen.
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