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Topic: Copying Hard Drive Contents To Another
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-08-2001 09:34 PM
Here is the situation:Drive "D" on a particular machine has bad clusters, and is developing more. This drive is a WD 2.1 Gig chained to a Bus Logic card with 16 megs of RAM. Drive "C" is a 540 meg drive, connected to the same Bus Logic card. Both "C" and "D" drives are on the Primary IDE line of the Bus Logic card. The system Bios reports drive "D" as a 2.1 Gig drive, but Bus Logic (when it loads) changes Heads, Sectors, and cylinders and likewise reports it as a 2.1 Gig drive. I am in the process of building a new machine since the machine I am talking about is a 486DX2-66 with 8 megs of RAM. All out programs are either DOS based, with exception of SAW, which is run under Windows 3.11. I have to copy drive "D" to a new 20 Gig Maxtor drive using the Maxi-Blast software. Am I going to be able to just pull the 2.1 gig drive out of the 486, set it up as the master drive, and use the 20 gig drive as the slave to get the info copied over to it? I would think so, BUT: The way I see it, I might have to set the drive parameters to what the bus logic reports Drive "D" for this to work. Maybe I can use the orginal parameters that system Bios reports. What are your opinions? I never was faced with this before, and I need your thoughts. Thank you. Paul
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Leo Enticknap
Film God
Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 02-09-2001 01:18 PM
When I upgraded my hard drive last month, I left the old one in situ, and connected the new one as a secondary slave. I partitioned and formatted the new one using FDISK, then booted Windows.I then quite simply used Windows Explorer to copy the entire contents of the old disc to the new one. The only thing it won't copy is the swap file, but otherwise everything should go across, preserving long filenames and all (if applicable). This doesn't interfere with the FAT or formatting of either disc at all - it simply copies the files. When all was done I removed the old disc, moved the new one over to primary master on the IDE bus, then booted from the new one. It worked first time. It is a good idea to run defrag (or even better, Norton Speed Disc if you have it) afterwards, though, as the copying process won't necessarily place the system files and executables where they are most quickly accessed.
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Scott Norwood
Film God
Posts: 8146
From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-09-2001 07:49 PM
If you need FAT, you can just create several different partitions on the 20-gig disk (say, five 4-gig partitions) and format them each as FAT, or, better yet, create a smallish (4-5 gig or so) FAT partition and format the rest as NTFS or (ugh) FAT32, both of which are far more efficient filesystems with large disks.
I can't really recommend FAT32, since it's totally incompatable with everything that isn't Win98 or Win2k, and it isn't as efficient as NTFS (which still isn't so great, but is better than FAT32).
Apparently, Veritas now offers some version of the vxfs filesystem that runs under WinNT. I'm sure it costs a small fortune, but I'd like to see it. It works great on big Sun machines, and I'm curious to see if it's any good under NT.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-09-2001 11:46 PM
I just discovered a FAT 32 drive won't even Xcopy with a FAT 16, either through DOS or hard drive software, such as Maxi-blast. I think the easiest way out is to find about 4 each 2 gig drives. Because of Lantastic running in DOS, I am limited as to how many drives and/or partitions I can have. The programs we are running are not compatible to anything else but DOS. It will not run under NT, Win 95, 98, ME, or 2000. It is in a department all by itself. There is nothing like it. It requires an Intel processor, and top-end ANTEX sound cards. The program developer could not make it run under anything but DOS. He battled with it for years to make it compatible with something other than DOS. The program is written in COBAL. Maybe that's why, I don't know. It is a very expensive specialized program that makes and plays Audio MPEG's, at some goofy compression scheme that nothing else can touch. That's the Broadcasting Industry for you. Some of the files were written so the duplicate file would self distruct in the process of copying through DOS. I can say this specialized program is rock solid under the DOS enviroment, and for all practical puproses, 100% glitch free until a drive or other hardware goes "H" as in "Horse", and "S" as in "Shucks".
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Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1068
From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-10-2001 10:10 AM
Paul, something is puzzling about this. For all intents, 95A runs in 16 bit DOS, and 95B and 98 run in 32 bit DOS. You don't have to load the windows GUI or drivers, and if you stick with just the command line at startup, you have what is sometimes called DOS 7 (Not to be confused with IBM DOS), and all DOS based programs that aren't tied to a particular DOS version should run fine.When programmers say their program won't run in Windows DOS virtual machines, they mean just that, and usually don't mean that the program can't run from a straight command prompt. Since this is an expensive program, my bet is that the programmer included some copy protection schemes that are causing the trouble, and that the code would be more compatible without these. However, if the programmer says no, that is usually the end of story. Four drives will tax the power supply of most computers. You'll need a quality one if you go that route. A lot of folks used Lantastic, but I found it crashed and burned whenever it had to work with a directory that was loaded with files. Windows for Workgroups actually has a DOS client, which would allow you to access across the net to some 32 bit drives. I haven't set it up myself, and there are limitations to it, but it could be an improvement over Lantastic. Good luck.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-10-2001 12:47 PM
Jerry, like a motor vehicle, that program is an operating system all in itself, and DOS is the wheels, so to speak. It is a weird program. I hate it. Actually, I have to do this to two machines, so I need two hard drives each. The machines we are running these programs on are 486's with 8 megs of RAM. But the 486's and the drives themselves are getting a little flakey because of their ages. Thanks for all the input, guys. Very much appreciated.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-11-2001 08:34 PM
Jerry, I got the stuff copied over on some small drives I had in my computer network at home that I can easily part with at the right price. And, the radio station is going to buy them, too! I'm the Engineer, and the boss does what I say! With reference to Drive "C", I was able to Maxi-Blast it over, but drive "D" I couldn't. I suspected that anyway. Before I yanked Drive D, I ran a scan disk on it, it found some more bad clusters, but no lunched files. To add insult to injury, I could not even defrag it. When it came to copy time, I could not do an Xcopy, as when it ran into the splattered files, it could not read them, then just dumped me. So, I re-constructed the directories and sub-directories, and copied them over. When it ran into the bad files, I just chose "ignore", and continued on its merry way. There were 12 files that were screwed up and could not read. Luck had it in my favor - they were locally made sound files in the SPC format, so no big loss anyway. I checked for hidden files and shared files just to make sure everything was there. Rebooted the new computer, and everything seems to be hunky-dory! I suspect that when I install the two Antex sound cards and the lan card, it'll run. Again, I would like to thank all you people for the valuable input. I hope I have the chance to help you when your butt is in a bind. Paul
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