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Jesse Skeen
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 - posted 04-07-2001 09:38 PM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No doubt some of you will think I'm nuts for asking this, but a couple years ago a friend and I went to check out the last remaining porno theater in the Sacramento area, the Regency- formerly a Pussycat Theatre and was a 'normal' theater before that. The front 2 rows of seats had a roped-off area where a large video projector was placed aimed at the screen running videotape- not sure if it was VHS or some pro format. The picture quality was pretty sad, about what you'd expect from any large-screen video projection setup. The projection booth windows were totally dark, I wish I could have seen if any equipment was still up there. There were only a few people in the large auditorium (no, nothing lewd was going on!) and I wondered what the point was of going to a theater to watch video, lesser quality that my home setup at that.
When exactly did the changeover (pun intended) to video take place- I know it was over 15 years ago. Does anyone know what the VERY last porno movie to be printed on 35mm was? Can anyone who worked at these places say whether there were any customer complaints about the sudden drop in presentation quality? I'd like to think at least a few people would be mad if any of the multiplexes started showing regular video instead of film all of a sudden.

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Bob Maar
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In New York the Video theatres started coming in about 1981. They started to appear in a strip along Eigth Avenue and was only in this area for several years. They were dingy and seedy and you never felt clean walking through them. A street over, on Broadway in Times Square Porno ran rapid in 35mm film. Porno had really run its course by the late 80's as you could buy video tapes and show them in your living room. Some of the Porno theatres in NY posted fantastic grosses as this was really a way to launder the money from the sale of drugs.
There were really no people in the theatres.

I for one, was glad to see them disappear and with a little bit of luck, we will never see them again.


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Paul G. Thompson
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When I ran as a relief union projectionist at the Pussycat in Oakland many years ago, the manager instructed me to just keep it on the screen, no matter how bad it looked, or what it took. They did not care about focus, framing, or anything like that.

Nobody in the auditorium watched the movie, anyway. They were all too busy doing other things.

Thank God, the porno houses started to die in the '80's.



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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 04-07-2001 10:19 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Before I even clicked on this thread, I KNEW that Bob Maar and Paul G Thompson would both have replies in here! And answers!


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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 04-07-2001 10:33 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The last first-run porno films I have projected were in 1988, so they were using film to distribute as late as then. I would figure early 90's was when the big video phase-out began.

The 'Regency' Pussycat had a Cinemecanicca tower or Eprad Sword or Wall-MUT, as you used to be able to see several very large reels leaning against the walls as you drove by the place. Never had the opportunity to actually enter the place... Naturally I would have gone directly to the booth

Aaron


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Paul G. Thompson
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Joe, I had to laugh my butt off when I saw your reply.

Are you implying Bob and I are "Dirty Old Men?"

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Joe Redifer
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I'm not sure, Paul. But you both seem like guys I have met who have worked in places like that at one time or another.

I don't understand why XXX houses don't have:


    •Dolby Digital
    •Adjustable masking
    •70mm
    •Christie/Pennywise CA-21 automation
    •Kinoton projectors and platters
    •Stadium seating
    •Cupholder armrests
    •Movable armrests (for, um, you know)

No wonder XXX theaters got left behind!


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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 04-08-2001 08:09 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Just curious -- I'm under the impression that most of the porn houses ran 16mm. Is this true? If so, what type of equipment did they use? Was it just Bell & Howell classroom projectors, or did any of them have fancy Eastman 25s or Filmo-Arcs or other xenon or arc systems? Did any of them use automated changeover or large reels?

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Gordon McLeod
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Up here are porn theatres were 35mm until the early to mid 90's
Some also had either a Hortson or a Zies Prevost16B for 16mm

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Frank Rapisardi
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Anyone remember when projectionists and managers were arrested in some of these porn houses?

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Aaron Sisemore
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>>I'm under the impression that most of the porn houses ran 16mm. Is this true?<<

Most of the ones I remember ran 35. I wouldn't be surprised if the 35 titles were also printed on 16 (since the vast majority of them were shot on 16mm film or video).

>>Did any of them use automated changeover or large reels?<<

Assuming we are still talking about 16mm, most porn films were 3-4 reels (35mm-wise) and ran about an hour, If they had to run them in 16mm i'm sure they could have put the whole thing(after cutting some of the 'non-XXX filler material')onto a 16mm 2000' reel and been done with it.

Aaron

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Paul G. Thompson
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The Pussycat I ran as relief was equipped with Simplex E-7's and SH-1000 sound heads, Peerless magnarc lenses. The other (Esquire) in Oakland, Ca. had Brenkert BX-100's, but I don't recall what the soundheads or lamphouses were. They had a 16mm POS up there, too. I think it was a B&H Filmosound (model unknown). It was never used.

I have also serviced the equipment in some of the Seattle houses, they were either Brenkerts or Centurys, depending what rat hole it was.


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Rick Green
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The Regency /Pussycat did indeed have a Cinemecanica V18 with 13,000 foot reels. Before that it was a changeover house with Wenzel projectors. (kind of a Super Simplex knock-off)I worked down the street for the old Art Theater Guild at the Towne International Theater from `76 until `86 when it was closed and sold to a sailboat retailer. At the Towne we ran X-rated features primarily in 35mm with a sprinkling of 16mm.

The booth had E-7's with Peerless Magnarcs, (later converted to xenon) and SH-1000 soundheads. We ran 6000' reels with a simple home-made automated changeover box. 16mm chores were handled by an RCA 400 with an LP Associates 1600 watt exnon lamp. (same mfr. as our Magnarc conversions- great lamp!)

But the best part of the job was running the Midnite Movies on Friday & Saturday nites. This was before all the big chains got into it and killed the market. (in my opinion) We used to run cartoons, Rock & Roll films, 3 Stooges and lots more. I had some great times in that place. (met my wife there, too, she was a cashier)


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Brad Miller
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I hear there were actually 3-D porno movies made. Does anyone know how many were made and what 3-D process they were?

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Darryl Spicer
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New a guy who was the projectionist at the downtown theater here. Back in the 80's it was a repratory theater and next door was the X-Rated theater. The projectionist ran both theaters. THe X-Rated theater was automated and ran continuous shows.

He once told me how this detective came in and watched a few scenes of the movie. He said that the detective came storming out and told the management that he was going to get a warrent to confiscate the film based on a scene, I am not going to describe here, that was illegal to show.

Well, the detective returned later that day with a represenative of the dist. attourneys office. They went into theater and he told him to watch for said scene. But to the surprise of the detective. The said scene was totaly missing. The projectionist had edited it out. So they were saved from an arrest. Detective should have kept his mouth shut.

One day there was an add in the newspaper where the X-rated theater advertised that read.

theater temporarily closed while we install our new seats.

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