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Ky Boyd
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From: Santa Rosa, CA, USA
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 - posted 05-25-2001 05:53 PM      Profile for Ky Boyd   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Looking at the movie listings in the Fri, May 25th SF. Chronicle, I observed the following:

The 16 plex at BayFair mall has become an 8 plex

The 25 plex at Union City has become a 10 plex

The Jack London 9 is now a 5.

The Hacienda 20 is now an 8

The Concord 14 is now a 6

The Pinole 10 is now a 5

The Crow Canyon 6 is now a twin

The Festival 5 is now a triplex

Century Park 12 is now a 6 plex and the 16 is now an 8

The 1000 Van Ness 14 is now also a 6

The Plaza 10 is a triplex

The Metreon (15) is now a 6 plex

And there are 13 prints of Pearl Harbor in Sonoma County and at least as many Shrek's.

How have theatres in your area shrunk?

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Evans A Criswell
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 - posted 05-25-2001 07:33 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'd say it is a computer error in getting the showtimes into the advertisements, or enough multiple prints running at theatres making them appear to have fewer screens. If they have multiples of "Pearl Harbor", multiples of "Shrek", and multiples of "The Mummy Returns", that'll do it. Back in 1998 when our local Carmike 10 ran "Godzilla" in 7 auditoriums at once, I'm sure it looked like a 4-plex if the showtimes were listed by movie rather than by auditorium.

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Peter Berrett
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 - posted 05-25-2001 09:35 PM      Profile for Peter Berrett   Author's Homepage   Email Peter Berrett   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

Down here in Australia they are still bulding miltiplexes and converting old theatres into multiple theatres.

cheers Peter

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Mark Lensenmayer
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 - posted 05-25-2001 10:31 PM      Profile for Mark Lensenmayer   Email Mark Lensenmayer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's multiple print city here in Columbus. For PEARL HARBOR alone, we have 13 prints at AMC, 5 at Regal, 6 at Marcus, 7 at Faux Cinemark, 1 at Star Cinemas, and one at a local independent single screen. That's 33 prints in central Ohio!

Another local independent has in its ad:
"This weekend, why bother with long lines, sell-outs and over crowded parking lots? That WWII flick will be around all summer. See a Four-Star film at the Drexel this week!"

The local 24-plex has only 12 titles. The local 30-plex has 5 Pearl Harbor, 5 Shrek, 3 Knight's Tale, 2 Angel Eyes, and 4 Mummy Returns.

Not much variety this weekend, that's for sure.

Mark L.

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Aaron Haney
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 - posted 05-26-2001 12:13 AM      Profile for Aaron Haney   Email Aaron Haney   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Century 25 in Union City (near Oakland) only has 11 movies listed.

EDIT: Oops, I didn't notice Ky had already listed this one in his original message; sorry for the repeat. And I was wrong, it's only 10, not 11.


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Sean M. Grimes
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 - posted 05-26-2001 02:02 AM      Profile for Sean M. Grimes   Author's Homepage   Email Sean M. Grimes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
and to join to the club I went from a 13 to a five... of course with bad bad film contracts and oversaturation of short films (i.e. less than two thirty) into realatively small markets... what can one expect?

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Adam Martin
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 - posted 05-26-2001 03:00 AM      Profile for Adam Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Adam Martin       Edit/Delete Post 
Detroit Metro area (including Ann Arbor):

Just a quick run down the newspaper listing. This is by no means scientific ...

385 first run screens
237 screens not running a 2nd, 3rd or 4th print
61 prints of The Mummy Returns (15.8%)
82 prints of Pearl Harbor (21.3%)
78 prints of Shrek (20.3%)

Most prints of a movie in a single complex:
- Mummy: 4
- Pearl Harbor: 5
- Shrek: 4

Most impressive reductions in screen count:
- Showcase Westland: 8 screens showing 3 movies
- AMC Livonia: 20 screens showing 9 movies

You can definitely expect these three titles in your stockings this Xmas.


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James R. Hammonds, Jr
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 - posted 05-26-2001 05:19 AM      Profile for James R. Hammonds, Jr   Email James R. Hammonds, Jr   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Im not sure about the rest of houston, but my theatre has the following:

4 Pearl Harbors (3 of which interlock two screens each)
5 Shreks
2 Angel Eyes
3 Knights Tales
4 Mummy Returns

We also have 1 each of the following:
Driven
Crocodile Dundee In L.A.
Bridget Jones's Diary
Joe Dirt
Spy Kids
Enemy at the Gates
Along Came A Spider

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-26-2001 07:48 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With all those prints being interlocked, I sure hope people know how to do it properly, and avoid print damage or dirt. I suspect some theatres that have no experience looping prints are going to try it for "Pearl Harbor" and "Shrek", and a few prints may get trashed.

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Evans A Criswell
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In today's Huntsville Times, the Hollywood 18 has 11 movies listed, making it appear as an 11-plex until you study the showtimes. Our Carmike 10 lists movies by auditorium (listing Pearl Harbor more than once) since their ad is auditorum-based.

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Evans A Criswell
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Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-26-2001 02:48 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
John,

I could be wrong here, but I don't think anyone really interlocks much anymore. Too many prints have been damaged by people who did not know what they were doing in the recent past and I think the general attitude by the studios now is to just make more prints for the additional screens.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 05-26-2001 06:59 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We don't encourage interlocking in my neck of the woods. There are too many people who don't know how to do it right and too much film gets damaged.

Furthermore, studios get pissy about it. Interlocking two houses means that one or more of the other prints doesn't get shown. Even if the print were to be booked to interlock, they still don't like it. Essentially, interlocking means that you magically enlarged the house. If that show doesn't sell out you are wasting space. It's much better to show two prints that start at different (staggered) times. That way you have a better chance of getting more people in each house.

If you have a problem with an interlocked print you will potentially inconvenience more people. If you have two prints and one of your houses goes down you can offer them tickets to the next showtime. If there are two prints the customers will only have to wait for an hour or so. If there are more than two prints they will have to wait even less. If your projector goes down for more than one show and you don't interlock you can recover more easily by shuffling prints so your lowest grossing movie gets cancelled and the highest grossing movies just move to another house. If you interlock there is less chance of finding a combination of house placements that will keep your business intact until the problems can be solved.

We DO have theatres that are allowed to interlock. Most often it is done for Saturday afternoon kid shows that run before the regularly sheduled showtimes. The people we allow to interlock are trained to do it right. Even then it is usually only one or two operators who are allowed to do it. If we have a U.B. who seems to be smart enough we will make sure he/she is brought up to speed before we turn him loose.

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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 05-27-2001 02:40 PM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At first I thought this subject was about the shrinking nature of the size of auditoriums. Really, that is something that has gotten progressively worse over the last few years.

Auditoriums with more than 1,000 seats are disappearing (and it is all but unheard of for any new theater to feature a room of that size). What I see far more often now is the 24-plex or 30-plex fitting into a building that would have housed only a 12-plex back in the 1980s. I still can't get over the time I visited the AMC Odyssey 30 theater at Grapevine Mills shortly after it opened a few years ago. The theater showing "Amistad" couldn't have had more than 50 seats in it. The new Central Mall 12 theater here in Lawton has some pretty small screening rooms. The biggest one has 232 seats with a number of others at just under 90 seats.

Part of the draw for people to leave their VCRs and DVD players behind to see a movie in a commercial theater is for the BIG size of the screen and the large auditorium holding it. If the screening room is not much larger than a living room, what's the point?

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-27-2001 05:46 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, as I'm sure you've read by now we only have one good theatre in SLC. Its the single screen Villa which is a sort of dinosaur but continues to liuve on somehow even though Carmike has it. The best part is the screen which is a Cinerama and 93 feet wide. Floor to ceiling! The place is fairly well kept up although the floors are a bit sticky and the candy/snack selection is dreadful, but all in all the best place in town to see and hear a film. Those B-24's taking off the carrier in Pearl Harbor could actually be felt in this place!
Mark @ GTS

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-28-2001 11:46 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When a theatre lists identical start times for more than one screen, or screens "disappear" in the listings, I suspect interlocking. If multiple prints are available, the start times are usually staggered.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
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