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Rick Long
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 - posted 06-18-2001 10:36 PM      Profile for Rick Long   Email Rick Long   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I first started out, working with seasoned, experienced engineers, (at least they called us engineers till we asked for a raise, then suddenly, we became technicians).

The older guys used to carry a doctor's satchel containing (in order or priority) their lunch, a Simpson 260 VOM, and a few wrenches (God help you if they caught you using an adjustable wrench) A small screwdriver was always clipped to their jacket pocket.

They assured me that it was experience that enabled them to get by with just these things.

Of course, that was just before the days of Dolby stereo.

I was wondering what other technicians carry in the way of tools for general and emergency service calls. Also what brand of tools are you using?

As Randy alluded to, in another post, no decent technician would ever be seen with a soldering gun. (Personally I use an iron with replaceable elements that allow me to select the heat and tip I need for a specific job.)

In my area, we have a mix of American and European equipment which means carrying both s.a.e. and metric tools (allen keys and wrenches).

Do you carry every possible tool you may ever need in your tool-box? If so, your carrying arm, like mine, must be considerably longer by now.

Do you sort tools in the trunk of your car according to the theatre you are at and the equipment therein?

Do you (like most of us) invent some of your own tools for specific jobs?

And what brands of tools do you find are most efficient and long-lasting? (links would be appreciated here).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Ha! Things have sure changed these days. It seems like when I get to where I'm going I always need something I don't have with me in spite of the fact that my service vehicle is usually about to burst at the seams from being loaded with too much stuff.
Basic tools are needed, Screwdrivers, wrenches, allen Key sets,both metric and standard, files of all sorts, drift punches, hammer, drill bits, knock out punches, pipe benders, fishtape,and of course at least several adjustable wrenches thrown in to piss every one off. This does not include the sound gear which usually consists of an Ivie PC40, THX, R-2, all the usual test films including a couple of full test reels, Phaser, O'scope,laptop computer(also used to make frequent postings to Film-Tech while on remote sites),Dolby extender, several different pink noise cards, spare intermittent parts like gaskets, cam pins, sprockets, shoes, etc for on location movement repairs. I know I left at least 50 things off the list........I always throw in the digital camera, and sometimes the view camera depending on where I'm headed.
Mark @ GTS

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Gordon McLeod
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After years of getting pissed off with excellite tools (the slots and phillips) getting the tips bent (they are too soft) and not having the best contour I switched to useing Wera tools
My tool box contains
I carry a set of Prince Reed, Phillips, Slots, and robertsons.
I still use the excelite 99 serries for nutdrivers, splines, and allens
I carry a OK industries soldering station and a weller gun (with demagnitizing coils) and a 100 watt american beauty iron for diodes
A set of flat wrenchs and an adjustable
A ball pean and a plastic hammer, set of needle files and a auger bit file(best apperture file out there) A dremel tool as well
wire strippers, crimper,a stepped tap vernier caliper and a lot of other little gizmos
The sound case has the leader scope, the R2 test films cables cel spl meter pinknoise cards gauss meter


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Rick Long
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Thats true! Gord gave me a few of these demagnetizing coils. Made of 1/4" brass, they can be formed to fit whatever gate, sprocket, or pad-roller shaft you need to fit. Using these with a Weller D-550 gun, you can demagnetize the earth.

The Excellites are handy though, only because you dont have to carry a handle for every bit, which would make it necessary to put wheels and helium balloons on my tool box. Anyone ever try getting these hardened at a machine shop?



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Gordon McLeod
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I tried haveing them case hardend and they were just too britle
I found that in the long run the exelites for that standard slots-phillips-robertsons just didn't last longenough to be worthwhile
Wera makes a set of handle + blades that is very durable but expensive http://www.wera.de/indexe.html


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I agree with Gord on the Wera tools. They are hard to beat the quality and the tips hold up better than most screwdrivers do. I'd say a 10 to 1 life span over regular X-Cellite stuff. I also carry a small socket set as well as this speeds up assembly quite a bit.
Mark @ GTS

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Randy Stankey
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I use pretty much all CraftsmanŽ tools. The main reason is that I can get them replaced at any Sears. Since I travel a lot that can be a life saver. No matter where I go, there's likely to be a Sears store within a short drive of the theatre.

I have a case full of various and sundry hand tools, just as others have mentioned. I also collect other tools as needed. For instance, just last week I had to remove a flywheel from a projector and I found out that it was rusted on pretty well. I tapped on it and sprayed some WD-40 on it but it wouldn't budge. I didn't want to use any more force on it for fear of trashing the bearings. I ended up going to Auto Zone and getting a gear puller. It worked like a charm. So, now I have this thing clunking around the trunk of my car. I probably should have saved the receipt and packaging so I could take it back and get a refund. I guess I'm just too honest. At least this way I have it in case of another emergency like that. I like to collect tools too, so this is just another piece for my collection.

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PS: Stay away from those "junk tools" like the Pocket Socket or the Zip Wrench! They are cheap, they don't work and you'll usually just end up rounding off your bolt heads. Stick to the good, old fashioned SIX POINT box end wrench. I don't even use eight point wrenches unless I'm up against an oddball bolt with a square head, for instance.

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I buy all my own hand tools. The company would have bought me a set if I asked nicely enough. I prefer it this way. If I "need" a certain tool I don't have to ask permission to buy it, only to have the boss say, "No, you don't need it." Furthermore, if I want to do something like work on my car, I don't have to worry about the boss accusing me of using company property for personal reasons... the tools belong to ME! I can do what I want with them!

I have an agreement with the boss that if I lose or break something while on the job, the company will pay to replace it as long as I submit the receipts. Of course, I have 90% Craftsman tools so breakage is a moot point. (And, YES! I have taken an occasional Craftsman tool back for replacement. Usually, it's no hassle at all.) If I need a specialized tool, such as a serial cable to connect my laptop (company provided) to a digital processor, all I have to do is submit the receipt and an explanation of why I need it. I have only had one request get rejected. It was for a pair of toenail clippers. It was the only tool I could think of to cut the jumpers off those Comp. Eng. preamp/analog readers without disassembling the whole thing. It wasn't a big issue so I let it drop. I figure if I fight the small stuff, they'll give me a harder time when it comes to someting else.

As for the rest of my stuff, the company provides all that:


  • Laptop computer
  • B&K oscilloscope
  • Ivie RTA /USL MUX box.
  • SPL meter.
  • Fluke DMM.
  • Pink noise generators, and the like.
  • Test films. (Requisition as needed.)
  • Platter tachometer.
  • Alignment guages for projectors.
  • Other, various and sundry small things like test leads.

The only thing that I don't have that I think (know) that I need is a photometer. We researched the prices on those and the cheapest one we could find was about $1,800. When you have a dozen guys all around the country, that can really add up. Again, I think if we pushed the issue we might be able to get some but then when it came to other things, we wouldn't be able to "afford" them.

One thing I definately recommend: Get wheeled cases for as much of your junk as you can! You'll appreciate it when you have to lug all this junk into the theatre. While you're at it, make sure that all the cases are "airline approved". Not only will it come in handy if you have to make an emergency flight somewhere but it helps keep your stuff from getting damaged when you haul it out of the trunk of your car.

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Rick Long
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I have pretty much the same arrangement with my company with tools, Randy. And I agree about how sometimes its best to sometimes forget the small stuff.

Getting a little off the subject, speaking of small stuff, whenever I grab a coffee while on the road, out-of-town, I always grab a receipt and submit it. When asked why am I being so "cheap" about coffee, I replied;

"Have a look at that report I just submitted. It says I went to Kingston Saturday, (250 miles round trip) did the emergency service, and came home again. How do you know I didnt just solve the problem over the phone, put my feet up, have a couple of beers and watch the ball game and bill you anyways? Because you have these receipts with date and time that shows where I was."

Anyways, getting back to topic, it is a whole lot more fun getting on a short-haul flight where you carry on your own luggage these days.

I currently am using a lineman's case, similar to Gord's and find that more and more I am having to pack the damn thing very strategicaly, or be unable to close the lid without sitting on it.

BTW, re: wrenches, why six-point and not 12?


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Randy Stankey
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If you use a 12 point wrench, the facets of the wrench don't make contact with the whole surface of the bolt head. Six point wrenches exactly fit the head. There's no chance of them slipping off and rounding the corners. Secondary to that is that if the wrench slips you are likely to skin your knuckles, or worse. Another thing is that the walls of the wrench are sometimes a bit thinner. They are more likely to break. It doesn't happen very often but I HAVE done it. (I once broke a Grade-5 bolt using an box-end wrench, too!)

There are two situations when I will use a 12 point. One is when you have to tighten/loosen a bolt that has a square head. A six point wrench won't fit. The other is when you are working in a tight space. Because there are more ways for the wrench to fit onto the bolt you don't don't need as much space. A six pointer needs a 60 degree rotation to advance the next face of the bolt into position for the next turn. A 12 pointer only needs 30 degrees. If you are working between two obstacles you might not have enough space to swing the wrench back and forth.

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John Pytlak
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Randy said: "The only thing that I don't have that I think (know) that I need is a photometer. We researched the prices on those and the cheapest one we could find was about $1,800. When you have a dozen guys all around the country, that can really add up. Again, I think if we pushed the issue we might be able to get some but then when it came to other things, we wouldn't be able to "afford" them."

That's sad, but not surprising. Interesting that thousands of dollars for the test films and sound test gear are accepted as the "price of doing business", but a meter to be sure you have the correct screen luminance is considered extravagant.

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually it would be good for the industry if a low cost light meter was available so the theatres would own one. Maybe not a cheap as the radio shack SPL meter but in the 300-400 dollar range.
In a lot of ways I don't think it would take a lot of rocket science to do it either. It is too bad that the sekonic Foot Lambert meter was not modifiable to a longer time constant as it is nice and small and reasoable price

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Scott Norwood
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How often is the light meter really needed, though? I am assuming that it is essential equipment for new installations and major equipment changes (lamphouses, lenses, reflectors, rectifiers, etc.), but how would a meter like this be useful in daily theatre operation? (I'm not saying that it wouldn't be...I'm just trying to think of how the expense of purchasing one for every theatre could be justified.)

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Richard Fowler
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Regarding inexpensive screen light meters.....Andy at Photo Analysis Company in Wayne N.J. sold an inexpensive modified screen light meter for under $500.00. We sold many of them to management / tech personel for several circuits as a ballpark guide in obtaining good standardized readings.....not everyone can run around with the pricy unit from LBJ/UltraStereo.
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Gordon McLeod
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Richard I have one of those meters somewhere. It was a Pentax Spot meter that they recalibrated. Mine always still read half of what a Pectra or minolta would read.
I think it was a problem with the time constant of the intigrator
Never did get a schematic for it as I still think it should be easy to increase the averaging with caps since it is an analogue meter and Pentax spot meters are on ebay now for under 200.00
Or why could not something be built like the old Kollmorgen meters in design simple
Panavision used to make a meter that was based on visual comparrason you looked through it and turned the dial on the side till the split screen in it match and read off the number


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Rory Burke
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I myself personally buy the cheapest yet sturdiest tools i can find!! you know the made in china homedepot special they try and hock for a $1.99!!! I been all over the place, Canada, Mexico, Europe, and of course every stinking multiplex and single screen.. Its all the same everywhere...you know tools mysteriously developing legs from over exposure to those xenon bulbs and walk away!!! I've learned that a good pair of vicelli files or craftsman tools usually end up in the hands of others!!!! Rory!!

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