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John Wilson
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From: Sydney, Australia.
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 - posted 07-08-2001 02:35 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In the chat room today, I stated that it was 13 degrees here in Sydney and when asked what that was in Farenheit, I thought that it was about 40 to 45 degrees. We all agreed we needed Evans there to do the math but I've found something so we don't need to bother Evans with such trivialities...

Convert Temperatures Here

BTW...13 celcius is 53.6 farenheit

John

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 07-08-2001 05:40 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here in Denver lately, it has been about 634 degrees celcius, or about 1173 degrees farenheit. And that's with the A/C on!

Actually it's been about 32.7777777(etc) degrees celcius here lately.


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Evans A Criswell
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 - posted 07-08-2001 06:35 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's not rocket science folks. The main thing people have trouble remembering is the order in which to apply the 5/9 thing and the 32 thing.

To convert from Celsius to Fahrenheit:

First scale the measurement by multiplying by 9/5

Second, adjust the base of the measurement by adding 32.

To convert from Fahrenheit to Celsius, do the reverse:

First, adjust the base of the measurement by subtracting 32.

Second, scale the measurement by multiplying by 5/9.

That is, f = 9/5 * c + 32

and c = (f - 32) * 5/9

Kelvin is the same scale as Celsius except that the base is 273.15 different. To convert to Kelvin, first convert to Celsius if not already Celsius, then add 273.15. The Kelvin scale is based on absolute zero, the temperature representing complete absence of heat. If you have a Kelvin measurement, subtract 273.15 and you'll have Celsius.

Another way to remember conversion between Fahrenheit and Celsius is just remember the two most important temperatures related to water:

Water Freezes: 32 F, 0 C
Water boils: 212 F, 100 C

If you just remember those, you can convert any temperature by simple linear interpolation without remembering the "rules" I gave above.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 07-08-2001 10:43 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The Kelvin scale is a moving target though... pick up a variety of text and sure it will have the 273 figure but the last two after the decimal can be all over the place...have the scientific community really agreed upon 273.15?

As to F vs C...I always remember the conversion based on freezing water...as Evan stated ... most people know 0C = 32F = feezing water.

Most people also know that C tends to be lower than F for tempertures above freezing...with this in mind...how can you get from 32 to to 0? knowing that there is an addition or subtraction of 32 plus that 5/9 or 9/5ths thingy in there?

Well 32-32 = 0 and anthing multiplied by 0 = 0...so to go from F to C one must first subtract 32....Also since F is higher above freezing we must somehow make C smaller....5/9 is a fraction less than 1 so that will do it...therefore to go from F to C one must take C subtract 32 and multiply by 5/9

Going the other way is a bit harder to remember if you aren't into doing math since when the add 32 part comes in can be confusing. If you remember the above part...simply follow the steps in reverse...multiply C by 9/5 and add 32 at the end. Again, use feezing as your check...0 x 9/5 = 0....add 32 and yup 32F = 0C

Steve

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 07-08-2001 10:59 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
13 Deg. Celsius would be 10.5 Deg. Reaumur.

When everybody started talking about esoteric temperature conversions I was going to say, "Kelvin" but somebody beat me to it. The only other scale that I could think of was this...

Reaumur Scale


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Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 07-09-2001 01:10 AM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
An easier formuola to remember (IMHO) goes as such:

Add 40
Multiply by 5/9 or 9/5 (if you are going from Celsius to Fahrenhiet, you're going to get a bigger number, so mulitply by 9/5. Use 5/9 for Fahrenheit to Celsius, since your going for a smaller number)
Subtract 40

Easy as pie.

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Dave Bird
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 - posted 07-09-2001 08:38 AM      Profile for Dave Bird   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Bird   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If you were here in Canada (converted in the 70's to metric), many radio stations still report both. I find that people will generally use metric for cooler weather and imperial for hot. (Cool day - 4 degrees, Hot day - 90). So YOU CAN USE BOTH! Here's what you need to know in Celcius:

0 or below : Touque and Rye or Rum
0 to 10 : North-Bay Dinner Jacket (Plaid Wool Shirt)
10 to 20 : Swim Shorts (go to Myrtle Beach SC in March and pick out the Canucks)
20 and above (70+) : Stay inside with a/c on, complain about heat, wonder why people don't just spontaneously combust in places like Texas, where you hear it's like a hundred-and-ten!??!!

Today, we should be over 90degF. LOVIN' IT! Just like I do winter. I figure that there are places in the world where it's 68degrees with no humidity every day, and I'd move there if I started complaining about the weather!

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Jerry Chase
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 - posted 07-09-2001 10:44 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Temperatures are fine for engineers and scientists measuring chemical reactions, but I prefer analog thermometers, since people have their own internal thermostats.

Working from hot to cold:

Honey! Look outside! The damn lake is boiling!
Hotter than F---ing Hell out there.
Hot enough to fry eggs.
Like an oven.
Too hot to work.
T-shirt weather.
Warm.
Comfortable.
Sweater weather.
Cool.
Nippy.
Chilly.
Cold.
Damn cold.
Too damn cold.
Colder 'n Hell.
Colder'n a witches tit.
The damn dog is stuck to the fire hydrant again.
Don't touch grandma when she comes inside. She might shatter.

Feel free to add other temperatures.

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William Hooper
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 - posted 07-10-2001 12:06 AM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My favorite lead-in to a weather forecast on a radio station ~25 years ago:

"Bring in the brass monkeys, tonight's weather will be clear & very cold..."

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Matthew Bailey
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 - posted 07-10-2001 06:18 AM      Profile for Matthew Bailey   Email Matthew Bailey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Arrrghhhh! Mr.Pytlak,pleas set things straight! I don't know
how to convert Farenheit to Celsius and vice-versa.
Probably nor do either of these people.

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Tao Yue
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From: Princeton, NJ
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 - posted 07-10-2001 08:34 AM      Profile for Tao Yue   Author's Homepage   Email Tao Yue   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To answer Steve's question, the scientific community has indeed decided on 273.15 as the offset for Kelvin temperatures. However, this is not entirely accurate, since Kelvin is defined in terms of the triple point of water (the point on a phase diagram where the curves all intersect -- there, water can exist as a solid, liquid, AND gas simultaneously). That happens to be at 0.01 degrees Celsius (I forget what pressure is required). One Kelvin is defined as 1/273.16 of that temperature, which makes 0 degrees Celsius 273.15.

See:
http://www.malibutelecom.fi/yucca/SI/kelvin.html

Of course, if we suddenly find that our measurement of the triple point of water is incorrect this all goes out the window. But that's why measurement units are constantly redefined. The meter has seen at least five definitions: in terms of the distance between Barcelona and Dunkirk, the distance between the north pole and the equator, the distance between two scratches on a platinum-iridium bar, a certain wavelength in the spectrum of Krypton, and, finally, the speed of light. The meter itself hasn't changed -- but the things that it is based upon have kept getting more accurate.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 07-10-2001 11:25 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Matthew:

The link provided by John Wilson is a very fast on-line calculator:
http://www.lawrencegoetz.com/programs/temp.htm

Evans Criswell's formulae are also exact and correct:

That is, f = 9/5 * c + 32

and c = (f - 32) * 5/9

Use either method to convert.

BTW, another tidbit to remember is that body temperature 98.6 F = 37.0 Celsius.

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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 - posted 07-10-2001 01:12 PM      Profile for Paul Mayer   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Mayer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here's another algorithm I picked up during my professional piloting years--used it to convert temps from C to F for the pax (self-loading cargo) announcements. It is simple enough to do in your head and has an error strip of only a degree or so (good enough to fly the airplane with):

1. Double the temp (DegC)
2. Subtract 10%
3. Add 32

Examples: 15 DecC ==> 15 x 2 = 30
30 - 3 = 27
27 + 32 = 59 DegF

Works backwards too (F to C)!

Still recovering from Anime Expo 2001...

Paul
Temporarily Unemployed Mercenary Projectionist
"When the money runs out, so does I."


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