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David Stambaugh
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I've done some searching, cannot seem to find an online repository of any of the logos used in newspaper display ads for special presentation formats. Example: "70mm 6-Track Dolby Stereo" had a great logo that was often used in the 80s (in the LA Times anyway). Anyone know if these logos have been collected and made available online someplace?

Common scenario: Theater advertises in the paper "All Digital Sound" but doesn't specify the format. They also don't run any logos or snipes (?) before the feature. Clearly they are using DTS and sometimes SRD. But their marquee says "Dolby Digital" with the Dolby logo alongside the name of every feature, and this never changes. Is this considered not important? In other words, does anyone in the industry care if the theater advertises "Dolby Digital" but actually uses other formats sometimes? This is probably a trivial thing, but on the other hand, it could be considered misleading. Dolby might like it, but DTS (or Sony) might frown on it. ?

The above question came up in my head after I saw newspaper ads for theaters in San Francisco. In SF, the ads seem to always specify EXACTLY which format is used in each theater: SRD, DTS, or SDDS. But in other markets, theaters seem to sidestep the format issue and just say "it's digital".

Enquiring minds want to know.

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John Pytlak
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Contact each of the vendors if you are looking for clip art or graphics:
http://www.dtsonline.com
http://www.dolby.com
http://www.sdds.com
http://www.thx.com
http://www.uslinc.com
http://www.hps4000.com

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David Stambaugh
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Thanks John. Being lazy, I was looking for 1-stop shopping. But this is probably the way to do it. I suppose even the old logos are copyrighted and would require permission to reproduce.



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Aaron Sisemore
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If you plan on running anything in a given company's format, then you should be OK with using the logos for that format.

And many times you see ads advertising something in a certain format, but once you arrive you find its in analog stereo or worse, mono or front/surround!

We avoid the trouble of logos by just advertising films as being 'in digital' with no specification to format, as prints do move around, sometimes in the same day and they can go from DTS to SRD to SDDS (no rollaround systems) We try to keep digital advertised prints in a digital house whenever possible (several of our locations have digital on all screens just different formats).

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John Walsh
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I seem to remember someone (Boxoffice Mag?) made a generic "70mm Presentation" logo that you could copy for free. It didn't have any manufacturer' name on it.

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Thomas Hauerslev
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I've got a fairly large collection of many "70mm Dolby" logos used in the 80's. I'd be happy to snail mail you copies if you like.

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David Stambaugh
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I emailed DTS and Dolby about the logos. I asked DTS specifically about their 70mm logo. DTS responded immediately, and their policy is they will not allow use of the logo, period. Dolby has not responded yet.

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Ken Lackner
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I wasn't aware that DTS had a specific 70mm logo. Then again, I'm not sure if I've ever seen a 70mm presntation. I wonder why they wouldn't allow use of that logo if the presentation truly is 70mm DTS.

Dave, my last theater was all digital, and we did the same thing Aaron does - advertise all digital but not the format. If you are going to advertise a format, please make sure it is the correct one! Otherwise, it is false advertising.

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Bobby Henderson
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I have a LOT of 70mm logos I have collected from stack ad clippings from the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Seattle Times and other newspapers. I've made some very fine quality vector conversions of those logos as well.

Just let me know what you need and I can e-mail you a logo in the file format you desire.

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Bobby Henderson
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BTW, DTS does not have a specific logo for 70mm DTS. The closest thing available are some mock up designs I did that wound up being published in Widescreen Review a few years ago.

I sent them some designs a couple years ago for concept DTS-ES logos. The one they have now looks a lot like one design I did, with the only difference being the "es" letters are in a futuristic font rather than the Letraset Dolmen typeface I used, which is also the letter style for the "dts" letters.

Anyway, with the business I am in, if I need a logo badly enough I'll make my own. I do prefer to get the original versions from the companies themselves out of a matter of principal. And of course you can only use those logos in direct relation to advertising their product. Doing other crap like selling merchandise products made from their logos will land you in court for trademark infringement.

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Gordon McLeod
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the 70mm logo for DTS is



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Bobby Henderson
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Hey, that's my design!!!

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Joe Redifer
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If it was an official DTS design the letters "DTS" would definitely be in there. Looks like a cheap-o Bobby Henderson design to me Ooops did I say that out loud? I meant Phiggidy Phat Tight Mac daddy B-Hend design dat ownz you!

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Thomas Hauerslev
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Here's Bobby's 70mm DTS version we used for "Titanic" in Copenhagen in 1998. I took the WR image, scanned it and blew it up and pasted it all over the 24 sheet poster. Came out rather well.

Bobby, do you still have the logo stored electronically?

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Gordon McLeod
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Actually I grabbed that years ago off the DTS site when we were doing Titanic

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