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Joe Beres
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 606
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-21-2002 09:08 PM
I have to side with Keith and Brad on this one. I think the kids need to be given a shot. Realistically, you're going to find fewer people over the age of 21 that have been around film, understand "film done right" and really take some pride in their work. The kids that need to stay out of the booth are the ones that have been trained not to care by management that doesn't care. Granted, there are definitely people that aren't going to get it and people that don't really care to get it, but on the other hand there are going to be people that do get it and do care. Look at Josh Jones for example. (Josh, I hope you don't mind being an example) I don't think he's even out of high school yet, but judging from his posts, he's better than 90% of the projectionists that live in Madison, WI. He is definitely a kid that should not be kept out of the booth. The quality control needs to be at a higher level. The management needs to take more responsibility and make sure that people get trained properly BY people that have been trained properly and have some experience. The people that just don't or won't get it should be put back out on the floor. Too often, I think people, myslef included sometimes, blame the "kids" for "film done wrong" when they were never really taught the right way of doing things.
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 02-22-2002 02:15 AM
I have had a lot of good experience with the kids, and some bad. The bad ones are usually jocks, football players. WHY YOU ASK??? Simple... if you have a kid who spends his life taking orders, and never actually THINKING for himself for one damn minute, then you get someone that absolutely will never get it, and will never do the job right unless you wait on them hand and foot like a coach. Now the good ones I found out were the artsy fartsy ones. The ones that got into av in high school, drama class, art class, etc. Reason is that interest and follow through in these areas require a greater use of the rationalization parts of the brain. They tend to learn faster, reason better, and remember direction, rather than wait for the next play call. That my onion, and I can cry if I want to. dave
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
Posts: 12859
From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 02-23-2002 05:48 AM
quote: If there is someone in your booth who is not up to speed that is your fault, not theirs.
Oh really? I take exception to this statement. It implies that EVERYONE is equally trainable. What you are saying is that no matter WHO goes up for booth training and I train them, then it is my fault if they don't become decent projectionists. It doesn't matter if I am training a 13 year old kid, a 27 year old AV tech, or someone who has no interest in working whatsoever... it's my fault? I've had people that I've trained turn out absolutely wonderful. I've also had a few that did not turn out so well despite my best efforts. The ones who have true and genuine interest in the booth as well as a willingness to learn new things and techniques are the ones who truly work out. It really does depend on the individual. If what you say were true, then the first person chosen anytime there was an open person in the booth would automatically be the right person for the job, even if there was no thought process in the selection. You may want to reword your statement as it is incorrect. I agree that a good head projectionist definitely helps out a lot. But sometimes even that is not enough with certain individuals. There are some who just don't belong in the booth.
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Will Kutler
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1506
From: Tucson, AZ, USA
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 02-23-2002 12:47 PM
There are many factors that come into play with this topic. 1) the ability of the person being trained. 2) SALARY! How can a company expect to retain skilled employees if they are not willing to pay decent wages! This results in a chain effect....employees that do not care=bad presentation=possible decline in theater attendance? 3) I have seen all kinds of people in booths. There are those who really care but quit because of shitty wages, people who know the job and are compitent but will scam and be lazy at every given moment, people who had a hard time catching on and who tried to learn, and people who definately could not catch on and who did not even try! 4) I have seen my share of politics in the booth....but the bottom line is, if you want to retain skilled employees, then you must pay fair wages and show that you care about your employees!
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 02-23-2002 01:25 PM
Those who treated me fairly I stuck with, even though the pay was less than desirable. On countless occasions, we had to do tasks that were above and beyond the call of duty.Conversly, I walked out on several others. But I never walked out because of lousy wages. But that was then....this is now.
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