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Topic: Recycling music from one film in another. Huh?
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-19-2002 09:46 PM
Hehe. We have all seen lots of movie trailers that have grabbed music from other movies. James Horner's score for "Glory" has been used over and over again on trailers. Such is a common practice now.But have you ever seen a film that recycled other film music within the movie itself? I saw that, I think for the first time, tonight while flipping through the channels on my satellite dish. HBO was showing "Exit Wounds," a film I had never bothered to see. I leave the room for a minute to get something in the kitchen and I hear music from the film "Heat" playing. Did my channel just change or something? No. "Exit Wounds" was recycling this music during a fight scene between DMX and Steven Segall. Not only that, but this music was the main theme of the "Heat" trailer and punctuated the downtown L.A. bank robbery/street shootout scene from that film. What the hell was Warner Bros. thinking? Did they think no one will notice. Oh well. Since the movie has already gone through theatrical release, pay per view, DVD, and now cable, I guess they got away with the stunt.
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-19-2002 11:02 PM
It's funny that you would use James Horner as an example of heisted music from one film to another. James Horner almost ALWAYS heists his own compositions from one film to another, changing a few beats hear and there, and most of his compositions come from classics hundreds of years old, and rarely performed or used. I believe rap artists do the same thing, calling it Sampling. While I love james horners music, as he has a knack for constantly improving even his own music. I had hoped that he was going to score the new Trek Movie, but instead it will be jerry goldsmith. hes ok, but kind of weak as a composer, no balls to it. Dave
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-20-2002 05:25 PM
I haven't seen the spiderman trailer in a while, but If I remember correctly, there is music from three different movies blended in together. This would have been done by the ad agency responsible for cutting the film, and not the film producers. My guess, is that no film score is ready. If elfman is doing the score, it will not be ready until about three days before film printing. He is famous for monkeying with his tunes endlessly to get them as perfect as possible.I had the pleasure of meeting Danny Elfman many years ago, back in 1985 if I recall, he was touring with Oingo and I was running entry security at one of the venues. He truly is an interesting person. In person, he is as calm as a cat, on stage, he is as volitile as a volcano. Genuis either way. Dave
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 03-20-2002 06:19 PM
On the "Die Hard"/"Aliens" item, I don't "Die Hard" actually lifted any music from "Aliens" on that one mentioned scene near the end. I know the passage being described sounds similar in tone to some of James Horner's "Aliens" score, but it is not the same piece of music. Overall, I find Micheal Kamen's music scores to often be a bit over the top yet plain at the same time, and sometimes his work does smack of being derivate.The Twinkie Cop shooting the terrorist music was reused on a featurette about "The Abyss". Some of the promotional material on "Die Hard" recycled music from "Predator" --and some of the "Predator" promotional stuff recycled "Aliens" music. The climax music from "Aliens" (the jet flying away from the nuke explosion / the queen Alien getting dropped into space) has been recycled on many many movie trailers. That passage, along with a certain bit of music from "Welcome to the Paradise" and the "Charging Fort Wagner" music from "Glory" have to be among the most overused pieces of movie trailer music around. I could also get into how Adobe's font "Trajan" is overused on movie titles --but that is conversation I would wind up having with only myself. Hehe. To get back to the real problem, I thought it was just weird for "Exit Wounds" to explicity lift actual movie score music from "Heat" and place that music directly into the film itself. Heisted music in a trailer is one thing, but that deal is just plain odd. The only legitimate way I can see how a movie can reuse another film's music directly within the show is for it to be some kind of a spoof, send up or cultural reference. I know Joe Redifer hates "Close Encounters" --but that film lifts the "Do You Wish Upon A Star" Disney theme pretty well. I chuckled at the Bond film "Moonraker" when the combination for a door's security key pad sounded out that "Close Encounters" theme. "Austin Powers" tries has hard as possible to recall the "Goldfinger" theme without getting into copyright trouble in the process. I guess "Goldmember" just went too far.
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Dwayne Caldwell
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From: Rockwall, TX, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 03-21-2002 03:23 AM
Time to go into  mode:The music used at the end of Die Hard when Karl is shot by Officer Pal IS the same music as that of Track 9 (title Resolution and Hyperspace on the original Varese Sarabande release) from the Aliens soundtrack. Note for note. The first 58 seconds of the track was used in Die Hard but never used in the actual Aliens movie, even though it was composed by Horner for that film. That is the music Brad is talking about. So to do a comparsion you'd have to listen to the actual Aliens score then watch that scene from Die Hard. Also don't forget, platters ARE better.
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