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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God
Posts: 3977
From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 06-26-2002 01:15 AM
I've never seen a managed 16 port switch from LinkSys on any of my suppliers fax sheets, I believe they only make 24 port managed switches.Since the clients are all running XP I'd still assume that it is an IP network since the protocols have been pretty much merged. So far it's been my experience that most box office software is not protocol dependent and uses either mapped network drive (possible with most any protocol) or full UNC paths (also possible with most any protocol). Cabling shouldn't be a problem given that clients are randomly dropping off the network yet being immediately reconnected on restart. This would suggest a software/hardware problem. If restarts didn't always work or work immediately I would then look into the cabling. I guess we'll just have to wait for Mark to provide some more info.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster
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From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-26-2002 06:17 PM
I have tried assigning static IP's to each computer, 169.254.104.1 (server), 169.254.104.10 through 15 for the terminals, with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0. This does not work any more reliably than auto mode but logs on reel fast. I added IPX/SPX protocal and its family and things are much better. Auto assigning of IP's is a bad way to go as re-loggin in takes 2 min. or more. Re-log in in with static assigned IP's is real fast, about 15 seconds or less. Right now I have just about all the protocols and family that XP Pro offers and the system has been fine..... The systems are based around the new Shuttle Micro PC's running Celeron 1.2ghz CPU's, 256 meg ram and 7200 rpm IBM drives. These things fly, and are only 8X8x9 inches! The switch is a Lynksys 16 port unit. No, the CAT 5 cables have not been integrity verified. The software is Sensible Cinema Box Office For Windows... true 32 bit version. Any other suggestions are appreciated? We ahve several other installations running just fine. Same computers and all. You old folks up in Canada still running on old 16 bit systems don't know what you're missing in the new 32 bit OS's, but then you are still using 1930's oiling techniques too so what more could one expect?? Mark @ GTS
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David Stambaugh
Film God
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From: Eugene, Oregon
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 06-26-2002 07:18 PM
IPX/SPX is a protocol unique to Novell NetWare. I can't imagine how adding that protocol would improve things. In fact I doubt the protocol is actually being used at all even though it's installed (not saying adding it didn't help, only that I don't understand how or why). I do seem to recall though that IPX handles corrupted data packets better than IP. IPX's packet retransmit scheme is faster than IP I think. Way back many years ago we introduced IP to our Novell network and we immediately started having performance problems with clients that were running IP only. Found out that a 10/100 switch was randomly corrupting data on its uplink port. This bothered the performance of IP much more than IPX.I think the finger is pointing at the patch cables, especially if they were terminated on-site, which is probably the case. Check those wire pairs very closely, and make sure pins 1 & 2, and 3 & 6 are color pairs and identically assigned at both ends of each patch cable (i.e. if pin 1 is solid orange at one end, make sure pin 1 is solid orange at the opposite end, etc.). I've seen supposedly knowledgeable low-voltage licensed technicians incorrectly terminate network cables by wiring them in progressive pairs straight through (1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5 & 6, 7 & 8 - WRONG). You want 1 & 2, 3 & 6, 4 & 5, 7 & 8 (although you can leave out 4 & 5 and 7 & 8). I'm looking at a Black Box factory-made Cat-5-certified patch cable and the pin assignments are: 1 - Orange/White 2 - Orange 3 - Green/White 4 - Blue 5 - Blue/White 6 - Green 7 - Brown/White 8 - Brown
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Steven Gorsky
Expert Film Handler
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From: Frederick, MD, USA
Registered: Sep 2000
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posted 06-27-2002 02:07 AM
Hubs (and switches) don't care if it's 32-bit or 16, they only are concerned about data speed (either 10 or 100Mbs). At this point I would say it is the cabling. Ethernet networks require category 3 (or higher) UTP (unshielded twisted pair) for 10Mbs and category 5 (or higher) UTP for 100Mbs. If you're unsure about the rating of the wire that was already there, replace it, and the problems should disappear. If by chance it is cat 3 or 4 - you should be able to just change the network settings to use 10Mbs (not 100Mbs), and the problems should go away. David did give one of the correct wiring standards (EIA/TIA 568B) for ethernet. I'm listing the other (EIA/TIA 568A) below for completeness. 1 - white w/ green 2 - green w/ white 3 - white w/ orange 4 - blue w/ white 5 - white w/ blue 6 - orange w/ white 7 - white w/ brown 8 - brown w/ white Steven Gorsky
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Jason Burroughs
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Allen, TX
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-27-2002 03:13 AM
How long are the runs to the switch?Auto-assigning of IP Addresses is preferable, as it allows more flexability, and avoids IP conflicts. However there will be a delay on boot up, Unless you have a DHCP server on the network. What happens otherise is Windows listens for a DHCP server, times out, and then uses the Microsoft Private IP range 169.254.x.x Annother thing to check is overall network traffic, see if there is a broadcast storm, you may have a computer that keeps forcing a bowser master election in there somewhere. As far as multiple protocols, I would recommend either using IPX/SPX OR TCP/IP.
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