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Brad Miller
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This is rather interesting...

STATIC FIRES

Bob Penkes of Petroleum Equipment Institute is working on a campaign to try and make people aware of fires as a result of "static" at gas pumps. His company has researched 150 cases of these fires. His results were very surprising

1) Out of 150 cases, almost all of them were women.

2) Almost all cases involved the person getting back in their vehicle while the nozzle was still pumping gas, when finished and they went back to pull the nozzle out the fire started, as a result of static.

3) Most had on rubber-soled shoes.

4) Most men never get back in their vehicle until completely finished. This is why they are seldom involved in these types of fires.

5) Don't ever use cell phones when pumping gas

6) It is the vapors that come out of the gas that cause the fire, when connected with static charges.

7) There were 29 fires where the vehicle was reentered and the nozzle was touched during refueling from a variety of makes and models. Some resulting in extensive damage to the vehicle, to the station, and to the customer.

8) Seventeen fires that occurred before, during or immediately after the gas cap was removed and before fueling began. Mr. Renkes stresses to NEVER get back into your vehicle while filling it with gas. If you absolutely HAVE to get in your vehicle while the gas is pumping, make sure you get out, close the door TOUCHING THE METAL, before you ever pull the nozzle out. This way the static from your body will be discharged before you ever remove the nozzle.

As I mentioned earlier, The Petroleum Equipment Institute, along with several other companies now, are really trying to make the public aware of this danger. You can find out more information by going to............ www.pei.org Once here, click in the center of the screen where it says "Stop Static".



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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Not a problem for us in New Jersey (one of only two states that does not permit self-serve), but a good lesson when on the road in other states. I wonder if the guy who researched that discovered that most of the damned fools who torched themselves came from the Garden State?

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Jerry Chase
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From the report:
"All but one of the accidents occurred with conventional (not Stage II vapor recovery) nozzles. " The newer vapor recovery nozzles are just as easy to use as a plain nozzle. They don't have the black rubber condom over the nozzle, but use a series of small holes near the tip of the nozzle to grab the vapor. My guess is that the insurance companies will be requiring the use of these nozzles soon.

FWIW, static is banned in south Florida unless it occurs as part of lightning.

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John Pytlak
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Conductive shoes are required in most industrial settings where flammable solvents or static-sensitive electronic components are handled.

Anti-static treatment (e.g., Static Guard, Staticide) of carpeting and seats in automobiles would help prevent static buildup, and the risk of static sparks igniting fuel vapors (not to mention annoying shocks).
http://www.techco.com.sg/dis_esd2.html
http://www.genesis16.net/esd.htm
http://www.bestpakcompany.com/staticcontrol.htm

Hopefully most of you have noticed that you don't get shocks when rewinding most prints anymore, since the introduction of KODAK VISION Color Print Film, which has a conductive layer to help prevent static buildup and reduce dirt attraction:
http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/products/lab/2383.shtml

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Ian Price
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I now live in California, that progressive state to the left of New Jersey and Texas. Out here I have yet to see a gas station attendant who will pump gas for you. It's all self serve. In fact, I never go in side anymore because most pumps take plastic. Next we are looking forward to automatic pumps, you just pull in and the fuling just happens. They pull your credit off of some transmitter or something.

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Paul G. Thompson
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I get a little nervous when pumping gas into my car when some person in front of me is jabbering on a cell phone, doing the green-apple two-step and hammering the gasoline in their tank to "top it off." Jeeze..I try to get out of there as fast as I can...

In the olden days of the military aviation, the fuel trucks were grounded with bonding straps to the ramp pad-eyes, and so where the aircraft. I think they required 3-point grounding with three different pad-eyes. In addition to that, there was separate grounding from the fuel truck to the aircraft. They took no chances.

It has been about 40 years since I was involved with that, so I am only going on what I *think* I saw.

I never recall seeing a person re-fueling an aircraft with AVGAS without using some kind of non-static gloves, and never saw someone refueling said aircraft while that person was wearing something other than rubber-souled shoes.


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David Stambaugh
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Self-serve is illegal in Oregon. Every time someone introduces a bill to bring back self-serve, there's a big uproar and it never gets off the ground.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Yeah, David. And the gas station people in Oregon almost have a hear attack when they see some out-of-stater wheel in there about 90MPH, get out of the car, then stuff their cell phone in there ear to make themselves look important, and reach for the pump nozzle.

Last I heard was that bill was again moot. But I understand that they allow "assisted" fueling by motorcycle drivers. Now who actually holds the nozzle, I don't know....


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David Stambaugh
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Oregon does have those commercial fuel stops or whatever they're called. Businesses can get special permits so their drivers can serve themselves at these places. But the general public can't go there.

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Ken Lackner
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Wow. Full Service. Now that's something I haven't seen in a while. Anywho, I've never gotten back in my car while the fuel was pumping, but I have reached in the car to grab something. I assume the static is caused by rubbing against the fabric on the seat?

So why is self-serve illegal in NJ and Oregon?

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David Stambaugh
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In Oregon, the big arguments against self-serve gas are 1) Safety, and 2) Preserving jobs for gas station attendants. Another argument is that some people, especially the elderly, have difficulty pumping their own gas. Usually when someone introduces a bill to bring back self-serve, it's with the condition that service stations would still have to have attendants to pump the gas for those who can't or won't pump it themselves.

This isn't full-serve either. It's mini-serve. They pump the gas and take the money and that's about it. Maybe once a year an attendant will offer to wash my windshield for me -- usually I have to do it myself.

The static thing is an interesting issue. If I'm wearing Levi's (which is most of the time), I almost always get shocked when I get out of the car and touch the door to close it...


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John Pytlak
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David Stambaugh said: "If I'm wearing Levi's (which is most of the time), I almost always get shocked when I get out of the car and touch the door to close it..."

SHOCKING!!!

Use an anti-static agent in your clothes dryer (e.g., "Bounce" sheets), and spray your car upholstery and carpeting with a topical anti-stat like Static Guard or Staticide or Kiwi Endust for Electronics:
http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/STATIC%20GUARD%20ALBERTO-CULVER.htm
http://www.balloonhq.com/faq/howpop.html


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Gracia L. Babbidge
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...I don't think that I would ever thought that a static charge would ignite vapors, so I've learned something new.

Most gas stations around here are self-serve, yet there still are the ones that have something resembling full-serve, and of course, none of those are open 24/7. So, I generally go the self-serve route (generally with slightly better prices), and I never walk away and leave the fueling-up process unattended!

*ponders something for a moment*

Wow, I can't even recall the last time I got zapped with static when getting out of my car!

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John Pytlak
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Gracia said: "Wow, I can't even recall the last time I got zapped with static when getting out of my car! "

In the Northeastern USA, it usually occurs in the winter, when the humidity is low.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Up here on a nice warm day when the humidity is low, it can be a chore to get out of the car without getting zapped by static electricity. It is possible to draw an arc 1/4 of an inch long!

The easiest way I found to eliminate using nasty language is to gound my hand on the car's metal as I get out. Sometimes you'll get zapped when you get in. Draw the arc with the key. The finger contact with the key distributes the charge enough where you will not feel the zap, even though you see and hear the arc from the end of the key.

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