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Topic: Wallace Cache 8 - Signs Done Wrong
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-06-2002 05:13 PM
I was originally talking about Wallace Theater's Cache 8 Cinema in Lawton under the Dolby Digital EX discussion in the Film Handler's Forum, but am moving this particular discussion tangent over here. I've e-mailed Brad a JPEG of what the place looks like and the theater's street sign, which has been in bad shape for over a year. Over a year ago, back in the Spring of 2001 two different storms blew out sections of this street sign's faces. What has Wallace Theaters done about it? They just arranged what face sections they had left over to the east elevation of the sign for west bound traffic to view. Some fix! When the photo is posted you'll see the "Cache 8" face section in the header area is popping out of its retainer. One good storm and that thing will go flying. I just hope it doesn't hit a car or a pedestrian when it sets sail. Technically, Lawton's city sign ordinance requires the sign to be completely repaired and in proper working order. But Wallace is able to slide since the city doesn't bother to enforce the sign ordinance. Being in the sign business, that pisses me off since it lets our competitors do really poor quality work and not even bother to get the permits to do the installs. My group does everything by the letter and even build UL Listed stuff --basically out of selfish pride I guess. When I look at this theater I wonder what ever happened to company pride or just making sure the front end of one's business doesn't look like crap. If Wallace is willing to let the outside of this theater look this bad, one certainly couldn't count on "film done right" in this place either. More on the jerry-rig fix with the sign. Even though west bound Cache Road traffic can "see" the sign (but barely read it because of distance problems) the traffic cannot turn left into the theater parking lot. US-62 and Cache Road split apart in a freeway type interchange so only east bound traffic can enter the theater. But arranging those face sections for east bound traffic wouldn't work either since the main entry is too far west for one to read the copy. If you drive far enough to read the Pronto letters you've missed your turn and have to go through a big pain just to get back around to the theater entry. Overall, it is just a bad location because of the access problems. This theater has been losing money ever since Dickinson Theaters opened the Central Mall 12 in downtown Lawton. The new theater is far enough away that it doesn't get pinned down in an allocation arrangement. If a film is playing at the Cache 8, you can see the same thing downtown. Check out the photo of the Cache 8 parking lot, taken Saturday, July 6. One would think there would be a lot more cars with "Men In Black 2" running in its opening weekend. Well, the mall theater has big crowds for their MIB-2 shows. And this is not to say the mall theater is great by any measure. Stadium seating? Try more like bleacher seating. 12 auditoriums, most of them tiny and only 2 equipped for DTS --this is a theater that opened in 2001 and has only 2 DTS screens! On top of that, it is widely known the theater management is too lazy to even put the DTS discs in the players for any show! My hope is for Wallace Theaters to come to their senses and just close down the Cache 8. If they would have done this already, they might have been able to get Loews, Home Depot or Target to buy the property. But those companies are already planning their new locations elsewhere. With the Cache 8 gone, the one good theater in the area (the Carmike 8 with its 8 DTS screens and two built to THX standards) will get many of the same films as the mall theater and not lose out big titles like MIB-2 to a dump of a complex. The Carmike theater does well in direct show to show competition with the new mall theater for the basic reasons of having better picture and sound, not to mention a more professionally displayed theater environment. The Carmike 8 was built in 1994 but still looks pretty new. Jack Connor, the manager there, has done an excellent job on maintaining his theater. It is time for the Cache 8 to just get out of the way.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-06-2002 09:40 PM
I just noticed a funny thing on that Cache 8 sign. What is the movie "Unfaithful Undercover Brother" about?Adam, it sounds like the Carmike theater in Muskogee had a really bad structural design on their sign. Inadequate sized retainers and other items like poorly joined face sections are big invitations to sign face blow outs. The Cache 8 sign had some past incidents, but previous tenants like United Artists and Litchfield didn't waste time getting the sign fixed. Wallace could be doing like you say and just waiting out their lease. Some rumors suggest the Cache 8 may close at years end. One thing is certain, they are wasting money on operational expenses by keeping the place open. It won't even matter if their hopes of the Carmike 8 closing were to come true (not that it will even happen). Most will still avoid the Cache 8 and head to the mall theater just like they are doing now. They just need to give it up, close the place and stop being a spolier to the better Carmike theater down the street.
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Evans A Criswell
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Posts: 1579
From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 07-07-2002 03:21 PM
Litchfield, United Artists as former tenants. Ahhh, I figured that when I first saw the picture of the front. It's scary how much it reminds me of the Carmike 8 in Decatur, which was built by Litchfield and taken over by United Artists, then Carmike. Are most of these old Litchfield theatres like this in poor condition? There are certain things about these theatres architecturally that give them away as being old Litchfield theatres -- fairly low ceilings, not enough "rise" from one row to the next in the auditorium seating, dim presentation, non-air-conditioned booths, change in ceiling height about a third of the way down the auditoriums, the sign design itself.Similarly, at the Carmike 8 in Decatur (a near "twin" of the one pictured above) a tree grew up on the east side of the sign. Solution -- put no lettering on the east side of the sign and leave the tree. ------------------ Evans A Criswell Huntsville-Decatur Movie Theatre Information Site
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Mike Olpin
Chop Chop!
Posts: 1852
From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted 07-09-2002 12:19 PM
A little off topic, but --Justin, BE EMENSLY CAREFULL TALKING IN A NEGATIVE MANNOR TWORD YOUR THEATER AND THEN TRYING TO CONVINCE FELLOW EMPLOYEES TO LOG ON. I got into a lot of hot water a few months back for doing that. I posted a negative comment (only one negative coment in a sea of possitive ones) that a fellow employee found, printed and distributed to other employees and managers. If you want to help presentation at your theater, the last thing you want to have happen, is to loose the trust of fellow employees. If i feel i have to make a negative remark, i use something to the effect of " At a theater i know of..... " , that way, people have a hard time proving I was talking about my theater. just a thought...
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