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Topic: What type of projector would I need???
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Chris Meacham
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From: Meriden, CT, USA
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posted 08-30-2002 01:42 PM
Hi all.. I'm looking for a projector that will be able to hook up to a DVD player. I am hoping to 'prove my concept' by showing movies in a hall.. If it works, then I'll do the hall right with proper equipment. I realize that this is not necessarily the 'correct' forum for this, but I was hoping someone had some ideas for me.. Any information would be helpful. cdm
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-30-2002 01:58 PM
How bright an image do you need? In a darkened theatre environment, a screen luminance of about 12-16 footlamberts would suffice --- figure about 16 lumens per square foot of screen area if you are using a matte white screen (i.e. a 100 square foot screen will need at least a 1600 lumen projector). I think you are planning a dinner/movie theatre or "movie grill", which needs higher levels of ambient light for safety, so you will need much more light on the screen. Be sure your digital projector can interface with your DVD player, especially with regard to sync.------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Chris Meacham
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posted 08-30-2002 02:10 PM
Wow... Thanks for being so prompt with your responses..The hall measures (approximately) 60 long x 40 wide with 18-20 foot ceilings. Yes, I plan on doing public showings.. And yes I do need to license them, that was another question I had, but I wasn't sure if this was the place for that.. If anyone (ie John) has an answer, or a direction in which to point, that would be fantastic.. Again Johm you are correct.. It will be a dinner theater, but my budget isn't big enough to support the dinner inside the theatre, so I am working on a join venture with a restaurant which is downstairs.. Once I prove that this works.. A serious renovation will be in order.. Thanks again for your responses..
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John Pytlak
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posted 08-30-2002 03:26 PM
I agree with Brad that a DVD will certainly NOT support the image quality required for even a moderate sized screen. Since you are going to pay the distributor "film" rental anyway, you are not really saving any money using an inferior format.There is much good film equipment on the used equipment market. For less than the cost of a large (>6000 lumen) video projector, you could probably install a fairly nice 35mm setup (projector, platter, lamp) that will "blow away" any image you could put up from a DVD. Plus the maintenance cost will probably be much lower. With a 20-foot ceiling and no sloped floor, you are probably limited to about a 15 x 36 foot matte white screen. A 3000 watt lamp would light it nicely. In a dinner theatre where there will be conversation and an ambient "noise" level, analog stereo sound should suffice. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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Robert E. Allen
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posted 08-30-2002 03:30 PM
Chris:I think you'd be better off going with 16mm. Get yourself a good machine or pair of machines (I have an older Eiki xenon modified with 6,000 ft reels). There are a number of film libraries across the country where you can rent the films (usually as soon as they hit DVD) for multiple showings. And some guarantee the good condition of the prints. However, you are prohibited from advertising the film title outside the building in which it is shown. But, if you start a "film club" you can send newsletters or e-mails to each club member telling them exactly what you are playing. And you can advertise publicly that you are showing films, the type of film playing and promote the dinner theatre. You can't get stereo prints in 16mm but there are a number of sound systems you can get (even from Radio Shack) that simulate stereo surround sound. Good Luck, Bob The Old Showman
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Scott Norwood
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posted 08-30-2002 03:34 PM
Chris -- what you need to look into is "non-theatrical public performance" rentals. The two largest companies in the US that do this are Swank Motion Pictures and Criterion Pictures, though there are countless smaller ones (New Yorker Films, etc.) which may specialize in older titles, foreign films, art, etc. Most titles should be available in 16mm, 35mm, and "video" (which presumably means DVD or VHS). Posters and pressbooks can be ordered through these distributors as well. Pricing will vary based on your type of organization (school, church group, film club, etc.), the film, and the number of showings.Note that if you decide to go with 35mm projection, you will want to look into the local building codes for booth construction and the possible requirement for periodic inspection. In Massachusetts, at least, there are fairly strict regulations about this (booths are supposed to be inspected yearly by the Department of Public Safety) and similar requirements may or may not exist in other states. In some states (including Mass.), there are also requirements for projectionist licensing. In most cases, these requirements are not applicable to 16mm film or video projection.
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Chris Meacham
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posted 08-31-2002 12:46 PM
John- You mention a 15x36 foot screen.. I'm assuming you based this on the specs I gave (60f long x 40f wide x 20f ceilings)... If I wanted to slit the room in half (width-wise), I think it would be beneficial to me to be able to run 2 theatres, than attempt to run 1.. This being my fantasy, I estimate the room sizes to be 28x40... How big a screen would that fit in that size? And, in your opinion- a) knowing it's going to be a dinner theatre b) knowing the crowd is not 'need to see it first' crowd would you say that 2 theatres would be more beneficial than 1? Thanks again for all your help.. cdm
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Chris Meacham
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posted 08-31-2002 12:50 PM
Bob- Thanks for your feedback, althought a 'film club' is an interesting idea (something I had not considered), I don't think it fits into my grand scheme of things... However, I would not rule it out entirely once my concept proves itself.. And it's your research in regards to a dinner theatre that I have as well.. I'm not looking for 'need to see the movie the first day it comes out' type of crowd... I hope to grow into that, but for now, I am targeting the people who want a nice evening out, dinner and a movie, without the hassle of going to two different places.. Thanks for your feedback.. cdm
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Chris Meacham
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posted 08-31-2002 12:54 PM
Brad- Thanks for moving the topic into the correct area.. ![](http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/smile.gif) I'm glad to know that I can still find good technical information on this site... I was looking for the best way to go on format, and I've found it... 35mm.. I'd rather spend more money now, than have to do a complete upgrade later on.. Thanks again for your help.. cdm
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