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Sam Hunter
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What is the smallest wattage xenon lamphouse availiable for use on 110 single phase and where might someone find one?

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Brad Miller
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1000 watt. You can find some old ORC integrated units that work well.

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Bernard Tonks
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I have seen 500 watt xenon lamphouses made by Philips (Kinoton) for 16 & 35mm, really only suitable for rabbit hutch cinemas, preview and dubbing theatres.

The 35mm Kinoton FP20 on the left.


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Brad Miller
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I just realized I misread your post. I thought you were asking for the largest lamphouse that can run off of 110V. I too have seen 500 watt units, but never anything less than that.

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Sam Hunter
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I looked at the info in the manuals section on the 750W-1KW ORC's and they look like a decent unit for home exhibition. They look well made.
What kinda reliability issues do the ORC's have and can you still get replacement parts for them?

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Richard Fowler
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If the reflector is dull you can get them resurfaced by Ultraflat. The control circuits are fairly easy for repair by a electronics tech.
Ignitor is simple also and can be substituted with some other brand if it is not available from Strong. I have seen other people remove the rectifier and control circuits and mount them in a separate box to increase reliability.
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Scott Norwood
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Cinemeccanica makes (made?) 500w lamphouses. Check the picture gallery under "GCC screening room." The picture there was watchable, but on the dim side. Not "film done right," but not quite "film done very wrong," either. The lamphouses themelves were decent, but just too small for that size screen.

There are 350-watt xenon bulbs made for 16mm projectors, but I doubt that anyone makes an external lamphouse for that size.

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John Pytlak
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In one of our Kodak screening rooms, we still have a set of ORC Model 1600-16 lamphouses on three matched EASTMAN Model 30 16mm projectors. These are the ones with the separate power supply, and each have a "snout" condenser lens assembly to focus the light at the aperture with minimal modification of the original (tugnsten lamp) projector cabinet. They also have remotely controlled rotary solonoid dowsers. I installed them in the early 1970's, and they are still kickin'.

The ORC Model 1000 lamphouses had the built-in 1000-watt power supply, and operated on 115 volt, 15 ampere service. The X-1000 lamp had an operating range of 15 to 35 amperes. The entire lamphouse is only 9x13x18 inches in size, and weighs 80 pounds.

The best advice with these lamps is to ventilate them well. Their compact size can lead to heat deterioration of the internal components, especially in the Model 1000. When buying a used one, open it up to check for any seriously deteriorated plastic components, circuitry, or insulation. Likewise, the reflector coatings can be heat-damaged if the lamps were poorly vented.

But they are great little lamps for smaller screens, and will last for decades if kept cool and comfortable.

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Steve Guttag
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To answer the question...500 watts is the smallest I know of and I believe Kinoton still makes it (for use with their projectors)

As to the largest lamphouse to run on 110VAC...That would go to Strong, probably...The Super Lume-x with a 110VAC compact switcher...can handle up to 2000 watts.

Steve

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Mike Spencer
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Hello.. Sam

I am using Orc 1600 watt Lamphouses with the seperate power supply's someone else mentioned here.. These can be configured three ways 110, 220. and 440 single Phase... I ran 220 off an unused hot tub circuit breaker.. and am using 220.. as it costs less.. but they work fine off 110.. These seem to work ok with 1000 watt lamps.. when turned on a low setting.. as the current is controled by a reostat at the power supply.....I am currently using 1600 watt Cristie lamps...... Hope this Helps... Mike

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Sam Hunter
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Pretty good info for free.
All you guys need to be payed more.
I guess now I just wait and see what I can find.
Thanks!

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Paul G. Thompson
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The smallest I know of is 500 watts.

The ORC-1000 integrated lamp John was referring to has to be adequately ventilated. If not, you can expect a high rate of failure of the control boards in addition to what he has already cited.


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John Pytlak
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For a small screen, I would recommend going with at least the 1000 watt lamp. With a two-blade shutter, and normal optical efficiency, you should be able to light up to a 9 x 22 foot matte white screen. For smaller screens, you can always slightly defocus the lamp (getting better uniformity) and/or run at the low end of the recommended current range. Or consider using the extra light to allow a three-blade shutter, virtually eliminating shutter flicker at 24fps, and allowing you to slow the projector for silent films. Even with a three-blade shutter, a 1000 watt lamp should still be able to light a 6 x 14.5 foot matte white screen to 16 footlamberts.

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Gordon McLeod
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THe M1000 uses a 700 watt lamp the M1600 uses a 1K lamp
There have been several 16mm machines with 350 watt xenon lamps and also the verticle chrisite and cinemcanica is a 450 watt

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John Pytlak
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Thanks, Gordon. I forgot that ORC's X-1000 lamp was really 700 watts, and the X-1600 was only 1000 watts. I recall that ORC felt justified in that the lamphouse efficiency made them "equivalent" to 1000 and 1600 watts, respectively.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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