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Paul Mayer
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Copied from Jeff's post on rec.arts.movies.tech (not up on the Cinematheque's site yet). Yet another reason for me to get back to LA:

4-TRACK MAGNETIC STEREO FESTIVAL - Egyptian Theatre, Los Angeles

Presented by SabuCat Productions


Friday, November 29 - 7:30 PM
Original 4-Track Technicolor Print - Complete Version!!
PORGY & BESS, 1959, 138 min. Dir. Otto Preminger.
Discussion following with actor Brock Peters and other guests (tbc).


Saturday, November 30 - 4:00 PM
Only Existing 4-Track Stereo Print!!
JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, 1959, 20th Century Fox, 132 min.
Dir. Henry Levin. British LPP print.


Saturday, November 30 - 7:30 PM
Double Feature:
THOROUGHLY MODERN MILLIE, 1967, Universal, 138 min.
Dir. George Roy Hill. Technicolor

SWEET CHARITY, 1969, Universal, 133 min. Dir. Bob Fosse. Technicolor


Friday, December 6 - 7:00 PM
SCARFACE, 1983, Universal, 170 min. Dir. Brian de Palma.


Friday, December 6 - 10:15 PM
AIRPORT, 1970, Universal, 137 min. Dir. George Seaton. Technicolor


Saturday, December 7 - 5:00 PM
PAINT YOUR WAGON, 1969, Paramount, 166 min. Dir. Joshua Logan.
Technicolor


Saturday, December 7 - 9:00 PM
THE CONQUEROR, 1956, Universal, 111 min. Dir. Dick Powell. Technicolor
Plus, the rare Atomic Era short, "Survival City," 1955,
20th Century Fox, approx. 20 min. Dir. Anthony Muto.


Sunday, December 8 - 5:00 PM
PEPE, 1960, Columbia, 195 min. Dir. George Sidney.
Uncut Technicolor print!
Plus, the short "The Miracle of Stereophonic Sound," 1954
20th Century Fox, approx. 20 min.

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Michael Schaffer
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It is interesting to see that Scarface had a 4-track magnetic soundtrack in 1983, a few years after the introduction of Dolby Stereo. When did they stop to put magnetic tracks on 35mm? I have never heard such a soundtrack, how does it compare to Dolby Stereo?
Michael

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Steve Guttag
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Probably Fantasia was one of the last 4-track releases in the mid-80s. For Early 80s (post Dolby), Scarface, Blues Brothers, and Yentel come quickly to mind.

A good 4-track print can bury a Dolby SVA print...given equivalent noise reduction. Yentel and Fantasia had Dolby-A (format 23), I don't know about the others.

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Paul Linfesty
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I think AGAINST ALL ODDS (January, 1984) was the last mag 4-track film released. The tracks were Dolby "A" encoded.

It would be a bit nicer if they would show Porgy and Bess and Airport in 70mm prints. I just saw Hello Dolly in 70mm there and it was truly incredible in its image, even besting 2001: a Space Odyssey shown right before it.

BTW, does anyone out there know if Thoroughly Modern Millie used 70mm blow-ups for its roadshow engagements? Or was this 35mm 4-track magoptic only?


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Michael Coate
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quote:
Probably Fantasia was one of the last 4-track releases in the mid-80s.

Weren't the '50s, '60s & '70s rereleases of Fantasia magnetic four-track stereo, and the '80s rereleases optical Dolby Stereo?


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[Mag Stereo releases after the introduction of optical Dolby Stereo]: Scarface, Blues Brothers, and Yentel come quickly to mind.

Some others: The Deep, Damnation Alley, The Buddy Holly Story, The Swarm, Hair, The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas, and Twinkle, Twinkle, "Killer" Kane


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Paul Linfesty
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QUOTE:
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Wasn't the 1977 rerelease magnetic four-track stereo, and the '80s rereleases optical Dolby Stereo?

The 1983 release with replaced digitally recorded music was rleased in both Dolby stereo optic and Dolby A encoded 4-track magoptic prints. The Avco played the mag print accompanied with Michael Jackson's THRILLER music video.

The IDOLMAKER was another dual inventory Dolby stereo optic/4-TRACK mag (Dolby encoded)film.


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Bill Gabel
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"Idolmaker" from United Artists was also 4 Track Stereo. But the
movie "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" was 3 Track (L/C/R)
Stereo. It had no surround track on the prints. We played it at the
Paramount Theatre in Hollywood and had a screening over at the
Hollywood Pacific Theatre too. And saw it over at the Plitt Century Plaza Theatre. The current MCA VHS release has no note of being in Stereo anymore.

The Picwood Theatre was remodeled in the mid 60's. It was booked
with "Millie" in 4 Track Stereo. I do not remember seeing a 70mm
print of "Millie".


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Paul Linfesty
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Some other mag prints from the same Dolby era. Suspiria, A Bridge Too Far, 35mm prints of Capricorn One, The Blue Lagoon.

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QUOTE:
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But the
movie "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" was 3 Track (L/C/R)
Stereo. It had no surround track on the prints.

When you say there was no surround track, do you mean there was literally no mag stripe where the surround track would go, or just that there was no surround information recorded on that track?

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Bill Gabel
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No sound info. on track. Just like "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner"
was 4 track Mag stereo, but no surround info on track. (L/C/R only)
And yes, there was a four stripe of mag on the print. Sometimes the
studios would release films with no surround. We checked this at
three theatres. The mix was really not that great, I remember
Universal was not happy with it either.

Right now the double system preview print for Columbia's "Maid in Manhattan" is a 3 Track (L/C/R).

A fews years ago we ran a late show of "Airport" in 4 Track Mag stereo
in the Chinese Theatre's mainhouse. It looked and sounded so Good.
We also ran "West Side Story" and "The Great Race" both in 70MM on
a late show. Across the street at the Paramount Theatre we ran a
preview 3 track print of "Empire Strikes Back". Those were the best
days those theatres will every have.

I gave Jeff, two 70MM reels of "Porgy and Bess".


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Steve Kraus
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The 1983 Fantasia 4-track prints (with Dolby A and no 12kHz tone) were mag-only although there is still space where the optical track would go since this is Academy ratio, not Scope. If there were magoptical prints they would have been mono optical and that seems unlikely given the highly touted new track.

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Robert Throop
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The mag prints of "Jesus Christ Superstar" were 3 track (stripes) and had large perforations rather than "foxhole".

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Bill Gabel
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Universal also had 70MM Blow-ups of "Jesus Christ Superstar".
"Jesus Christ Superstar" was photographed in Todd-AO 35.

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quote:
Universal also had 70MM Blow-ups of "Jesus Christ Superstar".

I don't think the blow-ups surfaced in the U.S. until a 1974/75 re-release.

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Bill Gabel
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That's right.

"Jesus Christ Superstar" had play dates in 70MM at the Cinerama Dome and National General's Village Theatre and I think also at Hollywood Pacific Theatre.

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