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Brad Miller
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This frame grab is from a tv commercial for the DVD for Episode II.

Anyone else find this amusing?


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Bobby Henderson
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Hehe. I got a bigger laugh from that than Fox's shockingly lame "Yo Da Man" spots for "Episode II".

People are more impressed with ad banners proclaiming "DIGITALLY FILMED!" rather than something saying "VIDEOTAPED!"

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John Pytlak
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It will be interesting to see if the lack of sharpness in the live action scenes translates into the DVD version. I certainly noticed the softness again today when I went to see the IMAX version in Rochester this afternoon at Cinemark Tinseltown. IMHO, medium and long shots just lacked any real detail. The CGI (e.g., Yoda) was sharper than the live action. However, the blacks were rich (very black) in the IMAX film print, although sometimes lacking detail in the shadows.

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Jack Ondracek
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An impressive new entry for the "Encyclopedia of Modern Oxymorons"...?

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Jon Miller
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Unfortunately, Merriam-Webster is not on our side ...

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Main Entry: film

Date: 1602

transitive senses
1 : to cover with or as if with a film
2 : to make a motion picture of or from <film a scene>

intransitive senses
1 : to become covered or obscured with or as if with a film
2 : to make a motion picture
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Michael Coate
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John Pytlak wrote:
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It will be interesting to see if the lack of sharpness in the live action scenes translates into the DVD version. I certainly noticed the softness again today when I went to see the IMAX version in Rochester this afternoon at Cinemark Tinseltown. IMHO, medium and long shots just lacked any real detail. The CGI (e.g., Yoda) was sharper than the live action. However, the blacks were rich (very black) in the IMAX film print, although sometimes lacking detail in the shadows.

Having had access to a copy of the DVD for a few weeks now for review purposes I will say that I found the image quality to be surprisingly good. I guess HD origination simply works better in the home theater realm. I feel the DVD version has richer blacks and better shadow detail than the 35mm and D-Cinema versions, which can certainly help in giving the impression of an overall better image. (I saw the movie seven times in the theater, by the way, in seven different theaters, and in three different presentation types.) I agree that many of the medium and long shots are noticeably softer than the close-ups (but then this is generally true of most origination formats -- a matter of perception, I suppose). The great thing about the Episode II DVD is that it appears to be largely free of many of the anomalies, artifacts and annoyances (ringing, pixelization, etc.) that are present on too many DVDs. Is this a result of the digital origination and direct transfer to DVD? Perhaps. Lucasfilm and Fox are certainly hyping the DVD as being the first "all digital" live-action movie issued on DVD. Which it is not; there have already been a handful of others.

John,
Re: the IMAX presentation. Were you at all bothered by the cropped image?

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Bobby Henderson
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I'm not at all surprised the DVD of "Episode II" would look good. With a 480 X 720 frame (and a good amount of that vertical axis cropped away), the much lower rez image of DVD is not going to show any of the videotaped-vs-CGI flaws.

What should be interesting is if Fox releases a D-VHS version of "Episode II". That format may actually show some of the limitations of the live action videotape scenery versus the somewhat sharper 2K rendered CGI.

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Ken Layton
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"Digitally Video Recorded"

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Leo Enticknap
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Rick McCallum was on BBC Radio on Saturday talking about the Star Bores DVD and how wonderful digital 'film' is. The programme can be heard here . I wanted to throw something big and heavy at the radio by the time he was finished.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote:
I wanted to throw something big and heavy at the radio by the time he was finished.

I think that would qualify as an appropriate use of a QuBit server.

(EDIT: I thought that the C didn't look like a Q. It's actually a capital 'B' also. I've been up for too many days... picture uploads work though. )



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Scott Norwood
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That would be "Qubit." The machine is actually quite spiffy. It's essentially a hard-disk recorder for video material and can be connected to various types of automation equipment. Presumably the disk array is less susceptible to wear from repeated playings than videotape would be. I belive that it has some applications in broadcasting as well as DLP projection.

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John Pytlak
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They try to have it both ways.

Saying "Digitally Filmed" tries to capture the aura and "look" of film cinematography.

Too often, articles try to make film seem old-fashioned by referring to it as "celluloid".

Look at it another way: Kodak sells 12-megapixel sensors in bulk roll form for less than 4 cents ($0.04 US) each, that have a dynamic range and color gamut that far exceed any digital camera:
here More to the Story
here Film/Digital Comparison

Yet, Kodak is a leader in Digital Imaging technology too:
here New 11-megapixel Kodak Sensor
here CMOS vs. CCD
here Kodak Image Sensor Solutions

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Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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And my 4MP Kodak Digital Camera cost over $600, why?


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John Pytlak
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Convenience.

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Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243
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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Convenient! I had to ride 4 busses to go buy it.

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