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Author Topic: What some videographers will do for attention Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-14-2002 01:39 PM                     http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/russian_ark.html Yes this is indeed impressive, but how exactly do they reload the camera? I know that a Steadicam can be passed off to another operator (not easily, but it can be done) to keep a long shot going, but what a pain this must've been to shoot.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-14-2002 02:28 PM                     According to the production notes, there was no reloading of the camera. It was recorded onto some sort of hard disk system instead of film or tape. It also says the director was not interested in setting records or creating something new, but just didnt feel like editing. I guess they just decided afterwards to market the movie that way. Id like to see it to see how it all turns out. Too bad it wont look that good.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-14-2002 02:59 PM                     Oh, it appears I have poorly chosen a subject title for this thread. Allow me to correct this to remove the word film, since it is NOT a film.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-14-2002 03:11 PM                        Well if nothing else this will show those jokers who like to cut off an ID frame at the beginning and end of each reel.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-14-2002 04:09 PM                       I can't fathom what a staging and rehearsal nightmare it must've been! Imagine getting a couple hours into the take and then picking up a light stand or microphone! Joe, that's funny!!  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 12-14-2002 06:03 PM                     When I saw the ad for this in the fall issue of FILMMAKER, I could only imagine the logistical nightmare involved. BTW, maybe it's time they change the name of the magazine to something more all-encompassing.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 12-14-2002 07:10 PM                     The idea of using the Hermitage as a setting for showing the history of the palace and of Russian history with emphasis on its royal patrons of the arts, with brilliant costuming and thousands of extras, should make for a grand entertainment. After reading the New York Times condensed review, my wife can hardly wait to see it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Beres Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 606 From: Minneapolis, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-14-2002 07:19 PM                     I have seen and shown a fair amounf of Sokurov's work. It is unlike anything else I have seen, but the comparisons to Andrei Tarkovsky are fitting. Sokurov's films tend to unfold slowly and deliberately. People seem to either love or loathe them. The Russian Ark looks to be a bit of a departure for him, but I'm sure it will be quite beautiful. I'm looking forward to it.  |  IP: Logged Ian Price Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1714 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-15-2002 10:22 AM                     This video played as a film at the Telluride Film Festival and was very well received. I heard that they rehearsed for 6-weeks to do the film. The filmmaker only got access to the Hermitage Museum for 6-house to do the film. That meant that they only had 6-hours to stage, block and video the whole thing. The critics love this film. I think it might bore the tears out of our audience but I have been wrong before. I might like to see it on television. I thought our audience would be bored by Rivers and Tides but there was a tremendous call for the film and it made good money, albeit at another theatre.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-15-2002 11:01 AM                     Ahem, Ian...it's not "filmmaker". Shame on you.  |  IP: Logged James R. Hammonds, Jr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 931 From: Houston, TX, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-15-2002 11:44 AM                     Maybe he is a filmmaker and now a videomaker as well  |  IP: Logged Ian Price Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1714 From: Denver, CO Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-15-2002 03:30 PM                     He's a filmmaker as the final product is film.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-15-2002 04:16 PM                     No Mr. Ian, i don't think so. With respect to this production, it is videomaker. I guess Spielberg is a videomaker according to your reasoning, Ian. Since all Spielberg movies end up on video, that would only make sense. That Saving Private Ryan sure was a good videomovie!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 12-15-2002 06:11 PM                        Ian- So how did it play at Telluride? You would have to make frame accurate changeovers which even the mighty Steve Guttag cannot do every single time (he called and told me this--- and then hung up!). I assume it looked like a few frames were missing at each changeover. A platter would be the only acceptable way to run the film version of this movie, leaving 100% of the frames intact for 100% of the times its shown. Well unless you cue it up like the mighty Brad Miller does and let the automation do the changeover!  |  IP: Logged Don E. Nelson Expert Film Handler Posts: 138 From: Brentwood, CA, USA Registered: Nov 2001 posted 12-16-2002 03:20 PM                     I must see this film, just imagining the filming logistics is incredible. This could never be done in Hollywood without "cheating" a shot here and there. Plus they could never leave a film like this, unedited, The title of the film is briliant, Russian Ark. The ark of a scene is a term used by screenwriters to describe the point at which the character, plot and story elements come together in a formulaic way in the development of the plot/story line. It has, I think, seven points. The broader explanation of a story arc or (ark) is that a story arc exists when the hero of a plot has strong similarities to heroes and/or plotlines used in fables and older works.  |  IP: Logged

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