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Author Topic: Old Beatles movie in rare sound formats Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-21-2003 08:27 PM                     I saw this from another forum and it's just too good to pass up. Everyone be sure and bid now for this incredibly rare opportunity! Click here What great Photoshopping!  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-21-2003 08:53 PM                        The same seller is also offering this gem from "Star Trek III": Then there's this extra-rare letterboxed set from "Phantom Menace":  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-21-2003 11:11 PM                        Extra rare flat trailer, eh?  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 02-22-2003 01:30 PM                     A few years back when James Bond:Tomorrow Never dies came out on UK video there was a special edition version that contained what was ment to be a film strip of real film. Problem is that the image was flat (it's a scope film). I've seen this many other times as well.  |  IP: Logged Rick Long Jr Expert Film Handler Posts: 211 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-22-2003 03:23 PM                     That's because if they included an actual scope strip, people would think "Hey! this can't be real, it's all stretched!"  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-22-2003 06:02 PM                     Yeah. Those stupid "Commemorative Real Film Cell" things they sell are all fakes. I have yet to see one with a REAL film cell from a REAL print. Most have no soundtracks, are flat when it's a scope film, are the wrong size (remember that HUGE "real film cell" they included with the "commemorative" Godzilla tickets? It could almost pass for IMAX if it were a bit wider.) and most aren't even real film! Just an image printed on a transparency with sprocket holes added (poorly) later. What would be even better, is if they took the film cell from an actual print that played at an actual multiplex with actual booth/ushers. Complete with REAL scratches and sprocket toothing! =TMP=  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-22-2003 08:21 PM                        The same seller is offering this: [I have now officially spent WAY too much time looking at that seller's auctions.]  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 02-22-2003 09:34 PM                    Please stop calling them cels unless you're quoting the imbeciles on eBay. A "cel" is a large piece of acetate used in animation. It can have a background, a character, or part of a character Xeroxed, inked, and/or painted on it. Or something along those lines. A piece of motion picture film is not a cel so let's not perpetuate this stupidity. Except to poke fun of course.  |  IP: Logged Michael Brown Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1522 From: Bradford, England Registered: May 2001 posted 02-23-2003 08:11 AM                     click here  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-23-2003 02:47 PM                     So, what is the deal with these fake frames, anyhow? I always assumed that they were cut-up trailers or odd reels, but I just don't understand the fake soundtrack thing. I mean, they'd have to work to get that. So if they're not real, what are they? Some guy with a color laser printer on acetate transparency? --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-23-2003 04:34 PM                        quote: A "cel" is a large piece of acetate used in animation. It was also originally used as an abbreviation for 'celluloid' (older projectionists I met still referred to the base side of the film as the 'cel' side). As celluloid (i.e. nitrate) hasn't been used in the motion picture industry for 50 years, that's yet another reason why this bloke doesn't know what he's talking about, let alone selling!  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-23-2003 04:53 PM                        I suspect the seller & his "product" are legit. To be fair, the pictures do say only that they are an "example" of what you're getting. He's taking several graphic elements and pasting them together in a "representation" of what you get. It's like a template of a generic piece of film and then he drops in frames allegedly from the actual movie. His feedback is impeccable, so I don't see a rip-off here. But it would be interesting to know why he goes to the trouble of putting up sample frames rather than the actual ones.  |  IP: Logged John Schulien Expert Film Handler Posts: 206 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 02-24-2003 11:54 AM                     There seems to be quite a cottage industry cutting up 35mm trailers and turning them into "film cels." You can buy a complete trailer on ebay for a couple of bucks and turn it around into more "cels" than you'll ever sell in a lifetime. Of course, these "collector's items" are generally advertised as coming from the movie itself, instead of the trailer they actually originated from. I suppose that there's a positive in that it keeps the film out of the landfills, and helps create some public awareness of what 35mm film really is (as opposed to videotape.) For an example of raging ebay madness, check out this auction!  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 02-24-2003 02:06 PM                     quote: Others charge as low as ONLY US$350 / US$250.00 Per NIMUTE ! =TMP=  |  IP: Logged

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