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Author Topic: Cinerama returns to Seattle Peter Kerchinsky Master Film Handler Posts: 326 From: Seattle, WA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-28-2003 04:05 AM                     This week, starting Friday the 28th, the Seattle Cinerama is holding a Cinerama Festival. Four films will be featured: How the West Was Won (new print) This is Cinerama (new print) Search for Paradise (questionable print) and Windjammer (also a questionable print). We did several tests today including a run of the first part of How The West Was Won and it look great. There's still some minor tweaking to be done, but all in all I think the techs and booth people did OK. Too bad alot of you will be whooping it up in Vegas this week and proably won't get the chance to see this. I'm happy to be part of this as I haven't run 3 panel Cinerama since about 1958.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-28-2003 04:12 AM                        Cool! Be sure to take / send in lots of pictures!  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 02-28-2003 12:03 PM                        Peter, The original three strip Cinerama was a double system using a seperate reel of magnetic tape (on film base?) for the sound that was 35mm in width. I am sure the system will still be the same. What I would like to know is if the new sound track has been treated with Dolby noise reduction either with 'A' or SR? You said, "HOW THE WEST WAS WON" is a new print. Is it a dye transfer or regular Eastman color print? -Claude  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 02-28-2003 12:11 PM                        Cinerama: http://www.cinerama.com/ http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingcr1.htm http://www.cineramaadventure.com AFAIK, any new prints will be on Kodak VISION Color Print Films, likely from Crest National Labs: http://www.cineramaadventure.com/crestindex.htm http://www.crestnational.com  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 02-28-2003 05:35 PM                     quote: Is it a dye transfer or regular Eastman color print? Eastman. Technicolor is not currenty making dye-transfer prints, having put their equipment on "hiatus."  |  IP: Logged Peter Kerchinsky Master Film Handler Posts: 326 From: Seattle, WA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-28-2003 10:01 PM                     Claude From the looks of the print it is Eastman. In fact I noticed some of the scenes appeared to be a bit washed out. The sound reel is non Dolby. Not sure what the track is as I'm working the Abel booth and the sound dubber is in the Charley booth. By the way the first showing tonight of How The West Was Won was a sell out.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-28-2003 10:03 PM                        The Cinerama soundtrack is recorded on regular 35mm mag fullcoat, just like printmasters for current releases. I doubt that NR would make much of a difference, as the format sounds quite good anyway, and the 1950s recordings suffer from the limitations of the recording technology as well as deterioration of existing elements over time (not that the sound is "bad"--just that it is sub-optimal by today's standards).  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 02-28-2003 10:43 PM                        "HOW THE WEST WAS WON" is my favorite Cinerama film and I envy everyone who has the opportunity to see it again or for the first time in the original three strip version. By the way, "HTWWW" and the other MGM Cinerama film that preceded it, "THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM ran through the projector at the standard 24fps compared to all of the other Cinerama films that ran at 30fps. I have never seen a side by side comparison of films projected at the two speeds. Is there a big difference between the two? I would think that the faster projection speed would reduce flicker but by how much? -Claude  |  IP: Logged Sam Hunter Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 779 From: West Monroe, LA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-01-2003 12:41 AM                     To bad that system didn't become mainstream as we all would have a complex job. Can you imagine a multiplex full of this stuff, a 20 screen per say  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-01-2003 01:08 AM                     quote: ran through the projector at the standard 24fps compared to all of the other Cinerama films that ran at 30fps. All other Cinerama films (and Cinemiracle, and, I assume, Kinopanorama) ran at 26 fps. I assume you're mixing up the original Todd-AO (Oklahoma, Around the World in 80 Days) with Cinerama.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-01-2003 01:39 AM                        No, Paul I read a paper by a Cinerama historian in The Perfect Vision magazine many years ago on MGM reasons for wanting both of their story line Cinerama features to be shot at 24 FPS because of their intent to also show the films in standard theatres in 35mm and single strip 70mm. The article stated that all other Cinerama films were shot and projected at 30 fps. Yes, I know "OKLAHOMA" was shot in 65mm TODD AO at 30 fps and in 35mm CinemaScope at 24 fps. "AROUND THE WORLD IN 80 DAYS" on the other hand was photographed in 65mm Todd AO simultaneously at both 24 fps and 30 fps. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-01-2003 01:42 AM                     Yes, Claude. All original Cinerama documentaries were shot and projected at 26fps. My statement reflects ALL technical and historical documentation. And if you want to get REAL technical, Todd-AO was defined as a 30fps process when Around the World in 80 Days was shot. The 24fps 65mm version shot was specifically for making 35mm Cinestage (the name given for the 1.56 squeeze 35mm format prints). I'm splitting hairs here. Because by the standards of the following Todd-AO film, South Pacific, one could go back and call the 24fps version of Around the World in 80 Days as being shot in Todd-AO. BTW, there are a number of non-synch sound shots from the 30fps Todd-AO camera that were used for BOTH the 24fps Cinestage (and eventually, Cinemascope) and 30fps Todd-AO version. [ 03-01-2003, 10:17 AM: Message edited by: Paul Linfesty ]  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-01-2003 07:13 AM                     Claude, Paul is right...documentaries at 26 and story films at 24. In Dayton, John Harvey ran both at 25 and it didn't seem to cause a problem. But this brings up and interesting question...what about the trailers for HTWWW and GRIMM. Were they 26 or 24? I'm pretty sure HTWWW had a trailer, but was there one for GRIMM?  |  IP: Logged Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-01-2003 10:15 AM                     quote: In Dayton, John Harvey ran both at 25 and it didn't seem to cause a problem. I THINK I read that the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood is also using the 25fps fits all concept.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-01-2003 10:21 AM                     What really saddens me about the whole thing is that no one has yet to install an entire projection system correctly. A solid sheet at the dome, a strip screen that blows in the HVAC air at Seattle, and bad cross reflection in Dayton, and not one place running the prints at the correct speed. Its fun to go see this format, but would someone please do it right for once.......Better projection pays for this format too! Mark  |  IP: Logged

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