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Author Topic: Cinemeccanica Sneak Preview... Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-18-2003 02:53 PM                        Argh!!! CineMeCCaNica!!!! Please!!! P.S. The V5 compared to others booth seems a toy! Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Jean-Michel Grin Expert Film Handler Posts: 222 From: Geneva & Lausanne, Switzerland Registered: Jul 2002 posted 03-18-2003 03:06 PM                        Hi Antonio, Do You think that Cinemeccanica look like a toy ? I don't. These machines will equip ours nexts multiplexes, I'm happy off that The presentation with a transparent cover was verry amazing. But had You saw the Christie booth ? the new handle to open and close the changeover dousser is If a projectionist is urged to thread a movie, it could accidentally break this fragile rod.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-18-2003 03:17 PM                     I personaly rather like the V5 machine as they typically give very good service and little problems when looked after by professional operators. No projector likes poor care being given to it  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-18-2003 04:03 PM                        I believe that Cinemeccanica's V5 is a machine that does its job, nothing more. Victoria 5 simply doesn't have the precision of other projectors. As I wrote some time ago I worked with Kinoton Platters, when I started working with CNR I realize how good Kinoton was. I've nothing to say about reliability. Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-18-2003 04:14 PM                        If you don't use the framing mechanism the V5 will produce a pretty steady image. With the newer style gates it is even better.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-18-2003 04:24 PM                       The V5's Achilles heel is that single-bearing intermittent. One film wrap, or bump from an operator's shoulder (ouch!), and the picture jumps up and down on the screen. I agree, Antonio, precision doesn't seem to be in Cinemeccanica's vocabulary. Just order a replacement gear for a V8!  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-18-2003 04:34 PM                        Does Cinemeccanica still make the V8, or do they only sell the V5 now? I agree that the V5 is functional (i.e. it projects a picture and reproduces sound) and gentle on film, but I don't really understand why anyone would buy one when so many better alternatives (Century, Simplex, Kinoton, etc.) exist which are of higher quality and more readily available on the used/rebuilt market.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-18-2003 06:14 PM                       I don't know if they do or not, Scott. But I ordered a shutter gear assembly three times for the V8 over at Braintree. I finally had to resort to cutting the shaft down with emory cloth to get one of them to fit.  |  IP: Logged Ben Wales Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 602 From: Southampton. England Registered: Jul 99 posted 03-18-2003 06:19 PM                     Yes Cinemeccancia still make Victoria 8's 35/70, mostly to order as they are a lot more expensive than the V5's.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-19-2003 03:15 PM                     Vic 8 parts are fitted to match the stub shaft of the head that is usually just press fitted in. Unless you want to quote the serial number with a part order(allways recomended even with us machines) order the complete assembly Only ever had 2 gears to replace in a vic 8 As for vic5 the newer gates produce as steady of picture as a century or a simplex. And the new gear boxs have given absolutly no trouble at all My opinion is if the vic5 in a theatre is giving trouble check out the operator first  |  IP: Logged Antonio Marcheselli Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1260 From: Florence, Italy Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-19-2003 05:44 PM                        Gordon, I never said that V5 is giving trouble! I told that is a toy compared with other machines!!! The assembly of the digital reader, the precision of the entire machine is not comparable with other brands. I've already said that the V5 does its job, nothing more. Bye Antonio  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-20-2003 08:03 AM                     I don't think I could sleep at night after having sold someone V-5's!! Standard Simplex's would do a better on screen job and perform better,and last longer overall. The V-8 is ok, and long lived, but the whole philosophy there seems to be to build them just enough to get a picture on the screen. Mark  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-20-2003 01:27 PM                     quote: the whole philosophy there seems to be to build them just enough to get a picture on the screen Hence why they are so popular with the 'film factory' multiplexes. Cheap and mostly does the job.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-20-2003 02:00 PM                     Mark that is far from true. Most Vic 5's run for years and years with no troubles some of the ones I have installed have been running for about 20 years. If the belts are changed regularly they give very little trouble. And the new curved gate produces's a far steadier image than most other machines  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-20-2003 08:50 PM                       After they put proper lateral guides on the film traps, they were no longer a problem - a new gate design was unnecessary. The main problem with image unsteadiness in Cinemeccanicas are single-bearing intermittents. The operator end of the starshaft is easily bent, which causes vertical unsteadiness on the screen. The other weak link was the use of nylon gears in the shutter gearboxes. But, since they're now making those out of steel, it should become a non-issue. quote: Vic 8 parts are fitted to match the stub shaft of the head that is usually just press fitted in. Unless you want to quote the serial number with a part order(allways recomended I did. The whole assembly was too fat and wouldn't let the shutter bearing retainer mate with the main casting. I had to remove the gear (a job in itself) and make it fit the existing shaft, in order to get the projector back together without it leaking. Cinemeccanica admitted they've had problems being consistent.  |  IP: Logged

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