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Author Topic: Another Browser discussion... Hopefully polite! Don Bruechert Mmmmmmmmm, bird! Posts: 340 From: Manitowoc, WI, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 09-02-2003 03:22 PM                        Just wanted to pass along a browser that has been in development for a while and I decided to check out. It's from the mozilla people and called "firebird". For those who might want a full-featured browser that is lean and easy to use, why not check it out. One nice thing is thaere are no mail and news functions to slow everything down. It loads quick and runs fast. The mail and news stuff is available as a free standing program if you want it. So far I think it's great! www.mozilla.org will get you there.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-02-2003 07:02 PM                     Rather than click on the link and read, I shall pull a Joe and make you answer my questions. Does it have a built in solution to reject pop up windows like Opera? Does it have mouse click gestures for navigating pages like Opera? When you tell it to not cache, does it really not cache like Opera...or does it cache anyway like IE?  |  IP: Logged Sean M. Grimes Expert Film Handler Posts: 247 From: Lunenburg, MA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 09-02-2003 08:20 PM                        From scanning the "reasons to switch" page, there are not mouse gestures, and it has just the block all popups, which will also allow you to "pick your popups" It seems to have some good features. I'll have to check this out.  |  IP: Logged Don Bruechert Mmmmmmmmm, bird! Posts: 340 From: Manitowoc, WI, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 09-03-2003 10:50 AM                        I can tell you right now that it does have pop up blocking, and it is configurable so if you have sites that you want to allow pop-ups on you can put them on the allow list. If I recall correctly, was Opera the browser that "numbered" items for you to click on or put flags on or some such? I know it doesn't do anything fancy with the links, but it will allow you to open links into tabbed pages so that you can go back and forth. A benefit for this site would be that you could have one tab with chat running, and be reading forums in the other. No need for minimizing up and down to see what's going on, just switch tabbed windows.... Don't know about the caching - I will have to check and get back to you. Since it is based on gecko/mozilla I would assume it may behave like netscape, but there are not a whole lot of similarities there either.... --- Added ---- OK, looked up the caching, and I think all you have to do if you don't want it to cache at all is set the maximum allowable disk space to caching to zero. Then it can't cache.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-03-2003 02:40 PM                     It would be nice if you could have a "non-cache list" of sites. This looks interesting, but I don't know if I can live without my mouse gestures. Aren't there some programmable mice out there now that can assign gestures? Or is that just assigning to the "extra" buttons on the mouse?  |  IP: Logged Sean M. Grimes Expert Film Handler Posts: 247 From: Lunenburg, MA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 09-03-2003 04:35 PM                        so after a day of playing around with mozilla, ehh. Opera still kicks my ass. If opera didn't exist anymore, than possibly I would switch. But no mouse gestures, well it sucks. No offense against mozilla just an offense against all browsers. But as a secondary choice, I would go for it. and the tabbed windows feature, well it's great in Opera lots and lots of choices.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-03-2003 07:40 PM                        Sean, what version of Opera are you using? I am using 6.0.6 and I think I may have something set wrong. When I click a link or try to go to almost any webpage, it sits there and "stalls" for a few seconds before it actually goes. Once it gets there all is fast and good. IE doesn't stall and runs at warp speed, same goes for the browsers in Mac OS X (the ones in OS 9 are always slow). Anyway I have heard that they have fixed the problems with Opera 7. Any modern web browser MUST block pop-ups. That is a necessity and the reason I don't use IE. As for mouse gestures, I could live without them. I really like my MicroSoft Intellimouse with forward and back buttons on it. A lot easier (and quicker) to use than mouse gestures. I have Mozilla installed on my PC and it is OK. I'm not sure, but I don't recall any way to block pop ups. Did they JUST release a new version? Mine is maybe a month old at most. Also there are many sites and forums that it did not render correctly. Maybe I have it set up improperly?  |  IP: Logged Sean M. Grimes Expert Film Handler Posts: 247 From: Lunenburg, MA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 09-04-2003 12:14 AM                        Joe I currently use opera 6 and 7.11(windows for both versions). For my G4 Mac that I am running in my studio I think it's 6.03? And your right, just about any browser for os 9 is pretty slow, especially that horribly ported Internet Explorer. One of the things that I would check for the stall problem would be to see how many max connections that you have running. (Preferences, Network) Too many can clog your browser connection. For my cable connection I run about 5. The only problem that I've see with Opera 7 is that sometimes (only on forum pages actually ) on a back page it will bring you to the main forum screen... Actually it only seems to happen on UtilmateUbb run forums. But besides that Opera 7.11 is definitely the way to go!  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-04-2003 01:55 AM                        Hey Sean thanks for the tip! Seems to be working. Though for some weird reason when I clicked "Post Reply" I got the reply box and then suddenly an Infopop ad filled the frame! I have pop-ups blocked. And I KNOW Film-Tech isn't dishing out any ads. Weird. Edit: Actually it's not helping. Things are still slow. Oh well back to IE, which is the best browser on the PC (except for the fact it doesn't block pop-ups --- that's all I ask!).  |  IP: Logged Elena N. Solovyova Film Handler Posts: 44 From: Voronezh, Russia Registered: Feb 2003 posted 09-04-2003 05:36 AM                     Why bother? There are not so many things nowadays that just work, and IE is one of them. Just set your windows to auto-update, and you'll never have any trouble with it. Our CP-650 does not recognise gestures, and I am absolutely happy with it! (Ooh, sorry. I'm in really bad mood today, thanks to our projectionist who almost ditched the show trying to "improve" gate watercooling.)  |  IP: Logged Don Bruechert Mmmmmmmmm, bird! Posts: 340 From: Manitowoc, WI, USA Registered: Jan 2003 posted 09-04-2003 01:01 PM                        Joe, Firebird is supposed to be different than Mozilla. Supposedly it is designed to be just a browser and they stripped out all the mail and news stuff. They also tried to configure it so you got the maximum amount of screen available for viewing the website. So far I am still "testing" it. I need to copy over my bookmarks and I haven't found where the new version of Netscape has them stashed yet.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-04-2003 01:07 PM                        I had tested Opera 6 a while back and ran into numerous problems, so I stuck with IE6. Recently I tried Opera 7.11, and it seems *greatly* improved. I really like it. Yeah, it does crash a little more than IE, but its convenience features far outweigh the minor annoyances. The tabbed windows feature is great! I haven't tried Firebird yet.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-04-2003 02:45 PM                     Does Opera 7.11 still print everything in bold font like the early version of 7 did? I had originally tried that and gave up on it after about 5 minutes because it was so hard to read everything.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-04-2003 07:27 PM                        I just found an interesting browser for Windows that y'all might like to try. It's called Avant, or "OperaIE" in some circles. It seems to combine the best of Opera and IE. It blocks pop-ups (just be sure to turn off that stupid noise it makes whenever it does block a pop-up). It has mouse gestures for Brad. It seems to render forums correctly (Opera seemed to have a few problems with vBulletin forums). The text appears like it should. And it runs fast. So far I am very impressed! It seems to be free, but it requires that you have IE installed on your system. Don't worry, it doesn't modify the original IE, it creates a new app. The worst thing about it is the Windows XP look. But I can live with that. Try it here: http://www.versiontracker.com/redir.fcgi/lid=283995/iosetup.exe  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-04-2003 10:30 PM                     I just gave this one a shot. So far I am VERY impressed!!!  |  IP: Logged

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