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Author Topic: Paran Towers Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-24-2003 11:40 PM                     Deleted by Paul. [ 09-26-2003, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: Paul G. Thompson ]  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-25-2003 12:34 AM                        Looks like a Hawk to me.  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 09-25-2003 12:56 AM                     Shouldn't have said anything Paul, now I'm going to have to report this thread to PETA, the ASPCA, and probably the gov't! I bet that was some endangered owl! Danny  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-25-2003 01:10 AM                        I bet PETA would complain. How dare Paul have that tower erected right were a bird will fly one day! It's the electric chair for you Paul, if PETA had their way. Oh, and if anyone from PETA reads this thread, I'd like to say the following: I like dead animals. I wish more animals would die. They need to make way for us humans. I really like it when they get stuck in big oil spills. It's fun to see them struggle, knowing that there's no way they will survive. (PETA will probably ban the entire state of Colorado now).  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-25-2003 01:47 AM                  The only thing that would have made those pics better is if you would have fired up the transmitter while "Trophy-Boy" was still on the tower and got pics of him frying his "wings" too... >>> Phil [ 09-25-2003, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Phil Hill ]  |  IP: Logged Sean M. Grimes Expert Film Handler Posts: 247 From: Lunenburg, MA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 09-25-2003 03:42 AM                        I love the pics also, but please crop that damn poll out of the way! (sorry Phil!)  |  IP: Logged Jeff Stricker Master Film Handler Posts: 481 From: Calumet, Mi USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 09-25-2003 07:24 AM                     Paul is that the feed line I see in the picture of the guy holding the dead bird? I've been trying to do some research on the Paran antenna since I read your earlier post. (your station may be the only one in US using a system of this design) Could you shoot a picture of the whole array and post it? I'm curious as to how far apart the four towers are and does the feed run vertical up through the center of the array where it connects at the top to the common point of wires going between the towers?  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 09-25-2003 07:39 AM                     PETA? Doesn't that stand for "People Eating Tasty Animals". Actually, I love animals. They taste great with mashed potatos. /Mitchll  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-25-2003 12:20 PM                     Jeff, those are guy wires. In the bottom picture, you can see the feed pipe (1/2-inch copper pipe) in the left 1/3 part of the picture. At the top of that picture, you can see one of the insulators that support it. Each of the four towers has a feed pipe. I think there is a phase difference between each of the feed pipes, but I am not sure. Very few people understand this system, and I am not one of them. I'll go up to the station today and see if i can get a picture of the whole array...the camera I used belongs to the Trophy Boy and it was much better than mine. If I can get a good picture of the system, I'll post it. The reason the company used that Paran Array was because there was not enough real estate under the towers to properly lay the necessary ground radials of the correct wavelength for the frequency of 660khz. The Paran is extremely efficient. Only real drawback is it needs 4 towers to work. I could be wrong, but I think we are one of the very few in the US that use this system, if not the only one. The gentleman that engineered this set-up for us was George Frese. He is an eldery gentleman - so old I think he went to school with Marconi. He is one of the "sharpest" RF people in the industry.  |  IP: Logged Ken McFall Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 615 From: Haringey, London. Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-25-2003 02:37 PM                     What a shame.... I was immediatly reminded of Leonard Cohen.... Like a bird on a wire, like a drunk at a midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free. ZAP! Just in case you don't know the soing.... I added the ZAP bet it smealt like KFC when it was fried..... bargain bucket and fries......  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-25-2003 06:46 PM                     Jeff, here is a picture of how the tops of the towers are connected. This might be a wild offspring of what is known as an "Umbrella Loop Antenna System." This is a drawing as the birds would see as they are flying over the towers. The blue triangles are the towers. The red blob in the blue triangle is the ½-inch copper feed pipe. The red lines are the connections. The green devices are insulators. The middle of the cross hatch is supposed to be bonded together. The insulators that appear to be “dead ended” are just that. The wire connected to them is about 20 feet long and connect to another insulator for support. Those supports are guyed to the anchors. The towers are spaced about 100 feet apart, and are about 120 feet high. (that's just a guess...) Anyone know how this thing works? Steve Guttag, ole' soothsayor...any ideas? Ken..that also reminds me of a saying..."A bird in one hand is better than one flying overhead." Something like that, anyway.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-25-2003 07:28 PM                  What a nightmare....It does look archaic. Where does the spark-gap xmtr hook up? Marconi would be proud. >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 09-25-2003 07:45 PM                     Phil, I think the spark gap balls are in the ATU boxes at the base of the towers. Actually, this system is a fairly new innovation. It is very effective when you don't have enough property to lay the ground radials in. It is a blessing for the wetland areas as well. That system must have been a bear to tune up.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 09-25-2003 08:10 PM                    Is there some reason the conductors must be bare?  |  IP: Logged Sam Hunter Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 779 From: West Monroe, LA, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-25-2003 08:15 PM                     Paul, I think there is another setup like that close to my home. It is four short towers aranged close together like you describe. I will drive by there tomorrow and check it out if you are curious about seeing another.  |  IP: Logged

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