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Author Topic: Defeating Copy Protected CDs Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-09-2003 05:47 PM                        Much controversy has surrounded BMG's recent implementation of anti-copy protection on some music CD's; the protection prevents the user from copying the CD, or even "ripping" MP3 filez from the CD, thus rendering the consumer unable to destroy the recording industry. A student at Princeton discovered that simply holding the shift key down when inserting the CD in the computer prevents the copy protection from loading under Windows, thus enabling the consumer to resume its task of putting musicians and highly paid studio execs out of work, making them dig through trash in order to survive.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-09-2003 06:08 PM                     Of course, this is assuming the music on the disc is worth copying in the first place.  |  IP: Logged Dave Williams Wet nipple scene Posts: 1836 From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Registered: Jan 2000 posted 10-09-2003 06:49 PM                        Yes that's right, 50 million over ten years spent creating this great encryption software defeated by a college student with five free minutes on his hands. Same thing happened with DVD encryption. It was thought that there were a series of over 400 three digit numbers in the right order to break the encryption, when it was found that you only needed just ONE of the three digit codes to break it. DeCSS decryption software spanned the internet within days rendering DVD encryption moot forever. Maybe just maybe if they spent less time FIGHTING piracy, they would attract much less attention to it. You know it wasn't until the BIG FIVE record companies complained about Napster that it got as big and out of control as it did. Most ordinary people just don't go looking to steal and pirate things off of the internet etc. But when you raise a stink about a small fry, you attract attention and natural human curiosity to it, making that small fry and super sized extra large heart attack major stroke salty greasy ass order of fries... with cheese. Dave  |  IP: Logged Josh Jones Redhat Posts: 1207 From: Plano, TX Registered: Apr 2000 posted 10-09-2003 07:19 PM                        Adema recently relased a sampler disc of stuff from their upcoming album, which I tried to rip to wave, MP3, and manually recording to wav within the computer. Neither of these worked, the resulting file stuttered really bad and the manual recording locked up after about a minute. In fact I cant even play it in that machine. This brings to mind another point. Does the cd automatically load a antipiracy program into memory that is always running as long as the CD is loaded? If so, you could go to task manager and close the offending program, or burn a copy of the cd missing the necessary program and autoload files? I am not trying to screw the recording industry, I am merely a hacker wannabe Josh  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-09-2003 07:42 PM                     I have an MP3 CD player I take on trips with me, and I make MP3 CDs so that I do not have a bunch of uncompressed CDs with me, and so that I do not have the chance of losing my originals. If I find that I have bought a CD that does not allow me "fair use" under copyright law, I will take it back, and demand my money back. When a program is loaded into your computer by someone else, that changes how your computer works, that you do not want in your computer, isn't that called a virus? Maybe the management-morons at BMG should be thrown in jail.  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-09-2003 08:47 PM                     Josh, what program did you use to try recording analog into a wav file? I don't think that should have happened. If you desire to keep the program "secret" - just send me an email and let me know what program it was. I have a few ideas....  |  IP: Logged Josh Jones Redhat Posts: 1207 From: Plano, TX Registered: Apr 2000 posted 10-09-2003 09:10 PM                        You mean your VHS tape trick?? I was using CD player and Creative wavestudio. No secret there JJ  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-09-2003 09:29 PM                  I use "LP Recorder" from CBF Software in Australia and never have had a problem recording any CD to WAV format. If it will play in my computer, it will be recorded. The old VHS trick is pretty lame and very well known... I will get a hold of that demo disc that Josh is talking about and see if I can rip it. (Which demo disc? The "Unstable" album or the "XCT1341-C" demo disc?) (Disclaimer: The above information is for experimentation and medicinal purposes only) >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-09-2003 09:30 PM                        I've always disabled "autoruncd" in Windows. It's a stupid and annoying "feature" which is also a pretty nasty security hole (since it executes whatever the CD tells it to upon inserting the disk). For what it's worth, so-called "copy protected CDs" aren't, at least insofar as they don't follow the Red Book specification and aren't eligible for the "Compact Disc" trademark from Philips (which owns the trademark rights). All of this stuff is lame, anyway. There's no effective way to prevent record piracy. Rather than continuously inventing lame and ineffective copy-protection schemes, he RIAA would be much better served by a) providing a quality product at a reasonable price and b) by providing some sort of online service whereby users can pay a reasonable price to legally download MP3 files of a wide variety of music.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-09-2003 09:30 PM                     If someone is just trying to make a backup mp3 file (or a collection of mp3s on a disc to save on "baggage" in the car), a regular cd player can simply play the cd and record it into your computer in real time via the analog connections. While the audiophiles will scream about an unnecessary D/A and then another A/D conversion...it's an mp3! I do firmly agree with Bruce, whenever the day comes that a cd I purchase cannot have a backup copy made, it will be returned.  |  IP: Logged Gracia L. Babbidge Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 709 From: Bowdoin, Maine Registered: Aug 2000 posted 10-09-2003 09:57 PM                        As the kind of geek that habitually makes musical mixes from cd's already in my collection, I know that I'd be very put out if I found one of my discs didn't allow me to use any tracks from it. Geez, not everyone that copies things from cd's is pirating music!  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-09-2003 10:22 PM                     Josh, I was not referring to the VHS trick. There are better ways than that. Brad has the right idea. Beside that, use SAW-32 for recording the wave file instead of that Horse's Assed Funky Creative Wave Studio. That is a POS from the word "Go". Phil might have a good program....but it probably costs alot of money. I also use "Music Match" to convert a WAV file to MP3 at just about every BiRate you elect to choose. If you use SAW32 to record, use a rate 0f 44056 or 48000. It'll be one big file, but it will well be worth it. Then convert it to an MP3 at whatever kbs rate (up as high as 320 kbs) if you so desire. Music Match will go that high.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-09-2003 10:51 PM                  Paul, if I remember right, it was not all that expensive... I think like 20 or 30 US$. I think the prices on their website were listed in Australian Dollars and seemed high if one didn't notice that. I also use the Creative product for recording CDs. I have been for the last several years and I'm totally happy with it. As Far as the conversion prgs, I use "MP3 Recorder". It is great. Will "convert" ANY format to ANY format. Brad has a couple of my "special" CD's that have been ripped from "protected" CDs and other sources and all the tunes play fine on computer or commercial/consumer CD players. I always have my CDs in my SUV while driving. BTW: ***IF*** the "protection" prevents me from playing and making a "back-up" copy for my own use of a CD that I have purchased, I will not necessarily return the CD, but sure the hell will support and pursue "other" means to make a copy. It gets to the point of being ridiculous what BMI/ASCAP & the Music "Pushers" do to us "consumers"! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Paul G. Thompson The Weenie Man Posts: 4718 From: Mount Vernon WA USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 10-09-2003 10:55 PM                     My mind has not been changed on "Creative Labs CD recorder."  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-09-2003 11:05 PM                  Yeah, so? Not trying to convince anyone of anything... An opinion and personal experience, just like others.... >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged

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