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Topic: MN Gas stations fined for charging TOO LITTLE!
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Nate Lehrke
Master Film Handler
Posts: 396
From: Denver, CO
Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 05-30-2004 11:00 PM
I think it's complete bull that gas station owners can't charge what they want for gas. As long as they pay the taxes, who cares? Another reason we should burn Jesse Ventura at the stake. I hope the state will tell me how to charge for admissions now! (I hope this isnt considered political)
quote: ST. PAUL - Just in time for Memorial Day weekend, Minnesota's Commerce Department (news - web sites) is cracking down on service stations over the price of gasoline. The problem: Some stations aren't charging enough.
Under Gov. Jesse Ventura, the state adopted a law in 2001 that prohibits gas stations from selling gas without taking a minimum profit. These days, they must charge at least 8 cents per gallon, plus taxes, more than they paid for it.
On Friday, the Commerce Department announced a $70,000 fine against Arkansas-based Murphy Oil for breaking the law at its 10 stations in the state, based at Wal-Mart stores and elsewhere. They also fined Kwik Trip Inc. $5,000 for violations at one station in Apple Valley
The two are the first fines levied under the law, which is similar to minimum-price laws in about a dozen states. Another two dozen have broader laws banning predatory pricing.
"The Legislature makes the law, and we enforce the law," said Carol Hockert, director of the department's weights and measures division.
It's her job to investigate alleged violations of the law, and there are plenty.
Hockert said she receives as many as 100 complaints a week, mostly from competitors convinced neighboring stations aren't charging enough.
In many cases they're wrong — the wholesale price changes day to day, and often one station might still be selling gas in its reserves that it bought at a cheaper price while its competitor only has newer, higher-priced gas to sell.
But stations turn over their supply fast, Hockert said, and if a station continually sells gasoline for less than what the department knows the wholesaler sold it for, she investigates.
"If $1.95 was legal yesterday, they get the benefit of the doubt," she said. "If $1.95 hasn't been a legal price for two weeks, then clearly it's a violation."
Complaints have risen right along with gas prices, she said.
According to AAA, gasoline is about 60 cents higher this Memorial Day weekend than last. The average price of gas in Minnesota is $2.02. SOURCE
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Randy Stankey
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Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 05-31-2004 10:28 PM
Why would anybody pay for premium grade gas?
There are very few cars that need to have it. As long as your car is burning the minimum octane level it was designed for it will run well. (Most cars' specs are OK for "regular" grade gasoline.) Furthermore, you get no better mileage or performance (in most cars) than you do with regular. I have checked.
For two weeks at a time I bought only a certain grade of gas for my car and kept close watch on fuel mileage and performance. After six weeks, (two weeks for each grade of fuel) I put the data into a spreadsheet and made a graph. It came out "flat line": ZERO correlation between grade of gas and mileage or performance. (Performance was checked by doing acceleration time tests from 0-50 MPH and from 40-65 MPH.)
I have done this on two cars that I have owned:
1) 1995 Dodge Neon. (4 Cyl. - 5 Speed manual trans.) 2) 2000 Mazda 626. (6 Cyl. - 5 Speed manual trans.)
The ONLY things that made a consistent, measureable difference in mileage or performance were:
1) Average daily temperature. You get as much as 20% less mileage on a cold winter day as you do on a hot summer day. 2) Gear shifting patterns. (e.g.: Upshifting at 2,000 RPM versus upshifting at 1,800 or 1,500 RPM.) 3) Highway versus city driving.
I once drove over the Great Smoky Mountains (North Carolina I-40) with over 1,000 pounds of gear in my Dodge Neon. (A "Century C" projector, "SH-1000" sound head, a "suitcase style" Strong switching rectifier AND all my other tools/equipment) PLUS my weight. I weighed 250 lbs. -- A total of 1,250 lbs. in a car rated for 850 lbs. of "passengers + cargo"!
I had to use one gear lower than usual. (If I normally use 3rd gear I used 2nd instead.) I also had to lay off the accelerator a bit to keep the RPMs down. I ended up going, maybe, 10 MPH slower than usual. The amazing thing is that I got the exact same mileage on that trip as I usually did! Maybe it had a lot to do with the fact that I coasted down the other side of the mountain. The mountain driving was only PART of the trip. (Knoxville, TN to Greensboro, NC.) Most of the trip was on reasonably flat ground. Once I got up to normal highway speed on flat ground I was able to drive mostly normally unless you count braking distance. The car ran a bit hotter than usual for the mountain part of the trip but I am thouroughly convinced that grade of gasoline has virtually NOTHING to do with a car's performance. (Unless the car is designed to run on a particular grade.)
Considering the price we pay for gas today, it would take a lot of convincing to make me think that anybody who pays for premium grade gas isn't flushing his money down the toilet.
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Scott Balko
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From: Redwood Falls, Minnesota, USA
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 05-31-2004 11:46 PM
Actually, if your engines compression ratio is 9:1 or under, you would probably make more power on the lower octane fuel(supercharged cars not included). The lower octane fuel needs less heat and pressure to ignite and it reacts much quicker reaching peak combustion chamber pressure faster, thus pushing the piston with greater force from top dead center. This quicker reaction time also allows for more complete fuel usage in the time window of the combustion stroke.
All that crap aside, Daryl, take the rotors out of your blower and enjoy the cheaper fuel. If you could keep your foot out of it, you wouldn't need the premium. It's only the increased cylinder pressure the supercharger creates that make the high octane necessary. If you keep the boost down, you'd be ok. I've built alot of engines with blowers for the street and track, and the streeters run just fine with 89 octane unless the boost gets up there. (8 lbs. or more)
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