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Topic: Kidman in BIRTH: inappropriate scenes with 10 year old boy
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Pravin Ratnam
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Posts: 844
From: Atlanta, GA,USA
Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 06-14-2004 07:31 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004271117,00.html
NICOLE Kidman has sparked outrage with her new film in which she gets passionate in the bath with a ten-year-old boy.
The shocking movie Birth will feature bizarre scenes of her nude and getting romantic with an underage lad she believes is the reincarnation of her dead husband.
But horrified executives may have to pull the plug on the £30million production after seeing the final version of the movie, according to a US magazine.
The weird flick sees Kidman playing a widow, and two scenes have got New Line Cinema hot under the collar. Kidman and the boy strip off together to submerge in bubbles and then they even lock lips.
Insiders say the film has been plagued by constant creative battles and rewrites. Now angry executives have protested to producers that the bath and kissing scenes are “borderline disgusting” to watch.
And the PR companies who are supposed to be promoting the film are calling it “a publicity nightmare,” reports The National Enquirer.
END OF NEWS ITEM FROM THE SUN.
My take: I heard about this on the morning radio stations and I even checked imdb forums. I am still shocked that a hollywood director would be this stupid to film this. I am not a stiff prude as people can tell by my previous posts. But there is a line that people should draw. I heard about Tin Drum and from a magazine article I read, that was edited together well to prevent the actors from engaging in anything seriously inappropriate. Even for Lolita, they upped the age of the actress, because the novel had a younger age for the character. Plus they used body doubles for Swain.
For scenes like this, even the 13-15 age range will have most people uncomfortable. But for a 10 year old?? I think one should draw the line. I haven't seen the scene. But it would have been very easy to make the same point without having the kid in that scene to such a degree. All they had to do was show Kidman taking off her clothes in one angle, and then show her getting into the bathtub without showing the boy's face. Then they could do a fadeaway from the boy's point of view showing only Kidman's face approaching the camera to make out. That in itself would make quite a few people uncomfortable, but would at least not have the audience worried about whether the child actor was mde to be part of the scene. If anything, i think it detracts from the narrative because no matter what people say along the lines of "Hey it's only a movie , and not real life" , one can't avoid thinking "Hey , but the kid was in the bathtub making out with a naked Kidman in real life, even if it was for a shoot."
Then you will have people who will say "hey , if you were that boy , wouldnt' you have wanted to be doing that with Kidman". My view is this "hey maybe if he was at least 13 or 14." Yeah kids are maturing faster lately, but 10 is still 10 in any era. I think the parents should have put their foot down and not given permission for the scene. Then again, I thought scenes were needlessly explicit for Pretty Baby.
I don't know. I haven't seen any angry denials yet. So it makes me think the article is fairly accurate. I would actually be interested in audience reactions when this movie comes out. [ 06-16-2004, 02:24 PM: Message edited by: Pravin Ratnam ]
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Steve Kraus
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From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-19-2004 12:50 PM
First of all, pretending that this was a real event for a moment, I am not convinced that the boy would be scarred for life. There is a vast gulf of a difference between consenting activity and someone being preyed upon. Yes, I'm aware of "age of consent" issues but that is a legal definition and is designed to protect the weakest not necessarily the average. I think if you read on the topic you will find that most experts agree even the very young have a pretty good sense of what they want or don't want to do and ability and willingness to express it. There is a growing school of thought that our society's new insistance to try to deny the fact that people become sexual beings gradually not just overnight on their 16th, 17th, or 18th birthday, is actually detrimental. By that I mean like when a couple of little kids are caught "playing doctor" what would have been dealt with in the past with some helpful discussion nowadays they might rush a kid off into a sex offender program, treating him as a criminal. A good read on this topic, controversial when it came out, is Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex by Judith Levine.
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...this isn't a real situation. It's a film set, on a soundstage, with a crew around. As such the potential for any sort of mind warping is, I think, minimal.
Unless of course someone is talking about being offended by the fictional situation in which case, too bad. It's fiction and we're only concerned with real harm to real kids (if any) not fictional harm to fictional kids.
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