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Author Topic: When is Pirating a Good Thing? Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-01-2004 07:10 PM                        Can pirating a movie ever be the right choice? Here is an entirely hypothetical situation: I work at a movie theater, and am therefore entitled to see movies for free. When I watch movies, no money goes to the people who made it. None. Ever. Let's say a hot new movie comes out at my theater, but I am out having an big and small intestine transplant for whatever reason. Obviously I won't be able to make it back to work for a week or two. Being that most movies don't stay in theaters that long, I want to see it now, for free. So I download it from the internet and watch it on my computer. I delete it after I am finished, and I don't share it with anyone else. Someone please explain how this would be wrong.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-01-2004 07:27 PM                        If you don't think it's wrong, then nothing any of us say will change your mind.  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-01-2004 07:29 PM                     quote: "Perhaps on the rare occasion pursuing the right course demands an act of piracy, piracy itself can be the right course?"  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-01-2004 08:15 PM                     You really like that movie, don't you Mike? Coure the quote was quite relevant. My philosophy is its only wrong if you get caught .  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-01-2004 08:40 PM                  quote: Dustin Mitchell My philosophy is its only wrong if you get caught Gosh Dustin...that's a pathetic attitude. Pirating to me is never right! I, for one, earn a living from the film biz. Anyone pirating is stealing from me and the other professionals that depend on the stupidity of the general public to swallow all the crap we put out to earn us big bucks. That being said, anyone got the website link for downloading Spiderman? >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-01-2004 08:49 PM                     Phil, I don't know about the original Spiderman, but you can download Spiderman 2 here.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-01-2004 10:12 PM                        But you see Phil... that's my point. I would not have ever paid to see the movie anyway had I not had my torso transplant. So in my situation, pirating is OK and encouraged! Either that or employees seeing movies for free must be outlawed as hurting the filmmakers!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-01-2004 10:25 PM                        quote: Phil Hill was the last to post My philosophy is its only wrong if you get caught There you go, folks! That's the root of the entire piracy problem. Not to mention shoplifting, dope dealing, tax evasion and just about any other crime you could name.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-01-2004 10:34 PM                  Hey you FT programmers! Mike's post is an excellent example of how your programming sucks! I did NOT say what his post suggested I said in the quotes...nor did I imply I said what was in Quotes. I quoted Dustin! Drop the "Last Person" thingy ya jerks! Yours in Christ, >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-01-2004 11:15 PM                     Well let's see, the default programming is to have read "Quote: Phil Hill". You are saying that is better than the modified "Phil Hill was the last person to post"??? You've been smokin' some of that I-30 stuff again, haven't you?  |  IP: Logged Ron Yost Master Film Handler Posts: 344 From: Paso Robles, CA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 07-01-2004 11:27 PM                     Pirating is very good if you're Johnny Depp and it pays for your modest abode in France. Ron Yost  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 07-01-2004 11:30 PM                        quote: But you see Phil... that's my point. I would not have ever paid to see the movie anyway had I not had my torso transplant. So in my situation, pirating is OK and encouraged! Either that or employees seeing movies for free must be outlawed as hurting the filmmakers! I'll take a stab at this one. I figure what makes it wrong is you give a reason for there to be pirated movies available in the first place. Whoever did the pirating doesn't care what the excuse someone has for downloading it is. All they know is there is still a demand, somebody still needs their services, so they continue to pirate en mass. The key difference for regular employee screenings is that they do not contribute to piracy (assuming an employee doesn't bring a camcorder in ). Another key point is that your guts are being removed for someone elses. Probably not a good idea to watch Fahrenfiction 9/11 on your new set of guts, not knowing if they can take the abuse.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-01-2004 11:32 PM                  Master Brad: Well, you're sorta catching on to what I'm saying in your drug induced stupor. BTW: I'm NOT into that lame, pussy-ass 420 stuff... I like the big C and horse! >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-02-2004 12:13 AM                     Taking a moment to be serious, not like anyone cares: For the most part, at least from a retribution/punishment standpoint, I think the MPAA et al care about people who provide pirated movies, and care less about people who download them. Kind of like how minors can legally buy cigaraettes, but it is illegal to sell them. (Of course, the Jack and the MPAA very clearly understand that solving the piracy problems involves educating the consumers, and that's the people who download.) --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 07-02-2004 12:13 AM                    Joe you're missing the point that Phil's business model takes into painstaking account that a certain percentage of people who ordinarily see movies for free will be unable to on account of having their plumbing replumbed and other reasons and some portion of these unfortunate souls will have to plunk down money in the future for the DVD, pay-per-view, etc. Don't f___ with the man's livelyhood. How do you think Phil pays for those private Chippendale shows? But your basic premise is sound: If you would never have paid for it anyway then it doesn't matter if you download it. There is indeed a grain of validity. If you would never have paid $500 for some software then the maker is hardly right in claiming each unlicensed unit cost them that much in lost sales. Perhaps the reality is that it cost the company that makes a lesser but similar product a $100 sale.  |  IP: Logged

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