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Author Topic: DVD duplication costs Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-23-2004 10:12 AM                    Just wondering how much it costs to have a DVD pressed in quantities of perhaps several thousand, with a regular case & inserted full color cover. I'm just curious because a local Chicago area custom furniture chain, Walter E. Smithe is giving away disks with a couple of short puppet animations that were holiday favorites on kids tv shows years ago. (They actually look like they date from the 1950's. Not sure if they were just a Chicago thing: One about elves called Hardrock, Coco & Joe and a second one on called Suzy Snowflake. Perhaps they are PD now.) Just wondering how much this is costing them.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 11-23-2004 10:34 AM                     I remember watching Suzy Snowflake as one of the "cartoons" on the Bozo The Clown show as a kid! Here... Comes... Su-zy Snow-flake! Look at her tum-bling dooooown! "Come out everyone and play with me, I haven't long to stay..." I remember it was black & white and very crude looking. =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-23-2004 11:18 AM                     I bought these animations on VHS from the Chicago TV/Radio museum a few years ago, and it would be a terrific DVD. That and "Pee Wee's Christmas" are two of the best Christmas programs EVER! (The animations are also available on a Christmas compilation DVD from Toontracker.com) Now, if I could just track down that commercial that went "It's one day closer to Christmas, so do your mailing now" Those are 2 cartoons from the legendary BOZO SHOW from WGN in Chicago. Thomas described Suzy Snowflake pretty well. Hardrock, Coco and Joe was officially called THREE LITTLE ELVES. This is a great example of '50's puppet animation (although with extremely limited movement". Best part is the delayed appearance of Joe later in the piece. Time to play the "Grand Prize Game" and remember the words: "Ole olady olady I oh That's Hardrock, and Coco, and Joe Now listen my children and you shall hear A story fantastic, a story so queer It's all about Santa and his helpers three There's Hardrock, and Coco, and Joe Now Hardrock's the driver up there by his sleigh Coco reads maps and he shows him the way Though old Santa really has no need for Joe But takes him cause he loves him so And Santa is busy with his heavy pack He trusts his drivers and never looks back Ole olady olady I oh He's Hardrock, he's Coco, he's Joe Ol' Santa will come in and set down his pack And Hardrock will hold the reindeer till Santa comes back If you hear a giggle as he turns to go It's Coco, a snowball, and..........JOE!... ...And Santa is busy with his heavy pack He trusts his drivers and never looks back Ole olady olady I oh I'm Hardrock, I'm Coco, I'm Joe Ole olady olady I oh..."  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-23-2004 11:35 AM                        Last year we investigated issuing some of our archive titles on DVD for sale. Having got three or four quotes the cost ended up being around UK£1,100 (ish) for the glass master, then £0.22 per unit with a minimum run of 500. After labels, cases and sleeves had all been factored into account the cost of going down the glass master and pressing route ended up in the ballpark of £3 per unit based on a run of 500, tapering down to around £0.30 per unit for a run of 5,000 (all figures for single layer). 1,200 units was the rough point at which pressing from a glass master became more economic than using a duplication company which burnt individual DVD-Rs on banks of high-speed recorders. In the event we abandoned the project because of copyright clearance problems with the material we were hoping to release, but the bottom line is that you do need to be shifting a substantial number of copies for the sums to add up for a factory-pressed DVD.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-23-2004 11:46 AM                    I'm going to guess that those of you who are familiar with these but are not from Chicago know them from watching WGN-TV on cable. Maybe it was something Channel 9 had commissioned back in the fifties. Anyway, here, go nuts: Hardrock, Coco & Joe via Windows Media  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-23-2004 01:28 PM                     Disc Makers does replication pretty cheaply, at $1.79 per disc for 1000 discs and cheaper for more quantities.  |  IP: Logged Wayne Keyser Master Film Handler Posts: 272 From: Arlington, Virginia, USA Registered: May 2004 posted 11-23-2004 06:01 PM                     Washington DC area "kids of the 50's" remember this film, too - don't know that I can add much, but there are copies available here and there on the Web, and one site had some attribution: recorded by the Les Tucker Singers, Words & Music by Stuart Hamblen.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-23-2004 07:30 PM                     You should check out Film-Tech DVD Duplication Services which our very own Joe Redifer personally runs. Not only will Joe dupe anything regardless of copyright, each disc is burned one at a time in his Mac and hand-mounted into the case. Costs are only $0.50/disc. Also, Joe will guarantee you delivery before he dies, or he will personally refund your money. (Pre-paid orders of 10,000+ only. Film-Tech not responsible for incomplete orders in the untimely event of Joe's death.)  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-23-2004 07:41 PM                    I have nothing I wished duplicated; just wondering what this promotion is costing the furniture chain. Given Leo's UK pricing would you think it safe to guess that with packaging it's costing them somewhere between US$0.30-0.50 per unit? I guess that's not so bad; they're probably spending far more than that on the commercials touting the free disks.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 11-23-2004 07:46 PM                  For all you "Hardrock and Coco and Joe" and cartoon fans out there: Click Joe Don't get your hopes up! The link is NOT to nude pics of HHOT Redifer.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 11-24-2004 01:44 AM                     |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-24-2004 01:51 AM                        Steve: assuming a run of several thousand that pricing sounds about right. The other complication I forgot to mention is that if you're having a glass master made you can't just deliver a burnt consumer DVD +/- R to the replication company. You either have to deliver the content on DLT or a specially designed authoring disc, which a standard DVD writer won't burn. Delivering the content on an external USB or IEEE1394 hard drive is another option which some companies will accept (at extra cost).  |  IP: Logged John Lasher Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Newark, DE Registered: Aug 2001 posted 11-26-2004 06:57 PM                        Actually, many replication facilities in the US will accept a general DVD-R for DVD-5 discs (or 2 for DVD-10s). It's usually only for a DVD-9 (or, if you have a large amount of data to put on one disc and an exceptionally fat wallet, a DVD-14 or -18) that DLTs are required.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 11-26-2004 08:17 PM                        Interesting - when I checked this out some months ago none of the replication companies I contacted would accept a consumer-burnt DVD - or +R.  |  IP: Logged

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