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Mike Blakesley
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Here's an article from the Billings (Montana) Gazette regarding a controversy about R-rated movies being shown in a high school. Aside from the questions about whether it's appropriate to show R films to skool kids, I'm wondering if this kind of thing is allowed by the film companies?

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Skyview principal: Wrong to show R film
By JOHN FITZGERALD
Of The Gazette Staff

Chris Jones thinks showing the movie “Tin Cup” during a health enhancement class is ridiculous.

Skyview principal Bob Whalen completely agrees.

Parents complained during a school board meeting Monday night about the film, which was recently shown to a health education class of Skyview juniors and seniors. It is rated R for brief nudity and foul language.

Interviews with teachers, administrators, and parents have found that the use of cinematic movies in general, and R-rated movies in specific, is rare. But it has occurred.

“With very rare exceptions, R-rated movies don't belong in classrooms,” Jones said. “Parents should be notified if anything at or above the PG-13 rating is going to be shown. … Showing R-rated movies opens up a lot of problems as far as I'm concerned.”

Whalen agrees.

“Tin Cup's” showing “was a wake-up call,” he said. “The movie is not educationally related for any reason so the second half wasn't shown and the teacher was talked to about it. And we're just moving on. Was it poor judgment? Yes. Was it done out of malice? No. She knows it was wrong.”

Jones is not ready to simply move on. She and several other parents have called for the issue to be addressed in school district policy. The Board of Trustees agreed, asking its Education Committee to look at the issue of R-rated movies.

While there is no current policy, there is a districtwide procedure - in place before the movie was shown - that requires any film shown in class to be “relevant to the educational environment.”

Whalen said R-rated films must be reviewed by the principal, all foul language and nudity must be edited out, and students must have a permission slip signed by a parent. Those who do not have a permission slip will be assigned an alternative assignment with no loss of class points.

School procedure regarding the showing of R-rated films “obviously wasn't followed with ‘Tin Cup',” Whalen said.

West High principal Dennis Sulser said he wants teachers to talk to him if there's a question about a movie.

“R-rated movies are certainly questionable,” he said.

He said editing objectionable portions of a film is easy. Just turn the movie off, he said.

He added that movies in general aren't shown very often. “Watching a full-length movie is not the best use of class time, although at times it does happen,” he said, adding that there are some scenes in some movies that are appropriate to use to emphasize an English, social studies or health concepts.

Jones' daughter, who saw “Tin Cup,” also was shown the R-rated “Platoon” in an English class last year, although she opted out of watching the movie. Some of her other children have seen portions of “Apocalypse Now” in an English class while studying the Vietnam War.

The issue will begin its process through the administration at the Dec. 13 Education Committee meeting when Trustee Conrad Stroebe, the committee chair, will ask the committee how they want to proceed.

“We're going to take our time,” Stroebe said. “This is an important issue. Anytime we change policy we need to be cognizant of the process we follow to make sure everyone is heard.”

One of those who wants to be heard is Trustee Gene Jarussi. While he doesn't defend “Tin Cup,” he does bring up other movies.

In a letter to board members, Jarussi wrote “there are R-rated movies that I think might be very appropriate in the classroom. For example, Schlindler's List is R-rated, but I think it addresses the Holocaust in a way that no verbal lecture could. … If you ban R-rated films, what next? R-rated paintings by those we refer to as the masters? R-rated sculptures? Reprints of art found in the Catholic cathedrals in Rome?”

(Link: http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?display=rednews/2004/11/18/build/local/35-movies.inc )

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Justin West
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I wonder if they'd have a problem showing "Birth of a Nation" during civil-war-era discussions??

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Allison Parsons
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Maybe they should start there own R-Card for students like GKC [Smile]

I saw more traumatizing things in health class than what any R rated movie could ever show [puke]

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Mark J. Marshall
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I wonder if this is one of those schools that doesn't let anyone say "Merry Christmas" because they're afraid of offending someone.

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Carl Martin
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quote:
Whalen said R-rated films must be reviewed by the principal, all foul language and nudity must be edited out,
i wonder if they do this with books as well.

there's a lot wrong with schools.

carl

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Mike Pennell
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ok, here's my rant: what does Tin Cup have to do with anything health related? I understand Apocalypse Now being based on Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness and Platoon as a "history" based film, but what is so educational about Tin Cup? Dont tell me because its about golf, thus being a sport thus a health related issue, thats lame. [Confused]

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Thomas Procyk
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There was a "ban" on teachers showing R-Rated movies in my school, too. Simply because of the fact that nobody was over 18 yet except some of the seniors, and a teacher can't "force" you to watch (or give a quiz on, etc.) an R-Rated movie if you're not old enough.

They did have a type of "r-card" which was just a permission slip the teacher handed out in the beginning of the year, and was kept on file. There were always a few who never turned theirs in and had to leave whenever an R film was shown. (Which was funny, because it was usually the "tough guys" hahaha!)

Movies can be shown in classrooms under the "educational purposes" clause of the Fair Use Act. If the movie was to be "broadcast" over the school's closed circuit TV system, then public performance rights would be in order. But if it's in a classroom setting for educational purposes, they're in the clear.

The school also had a list of "approved" educational movies which also included a handfull of classics or kids movies just for fun. If a teacher wanted to show something not on the list to a class, they would have to submit a reason as to how the film enhances the class, to avoid teachers taking a "break" by just popping in a video. If it was an R-Rated movie not on the list, they had to have a VERY good reason! [Smile]

Stuff that's R that was on the list were things like Schindler's List, Malcom X and Platoon. The only time I remember a teacher putting in an R-Rated, Non-Educational film was on the last week of school when a teacher brought in A Bronx Tale. Hey kids, just because the movie says [fu] every other word doesn't mean you're suddenly allowed to!! Maybe that's why the ban was enacted... because of dumb, parroting children. [Wink]

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http://eduscapes.com/seeds/copy.html

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Use of Rental or Purchased “HOME USE ONLY”
If an educational institution purchases a copy of a videocassette or DVD with a warning label “FOR HOME USE ONLY”, it is permissible to use the tape for face-to-face instruction with students (Section 110 - 1, Copyright Act). The key here is that the program is incorporated as part of the systematic teaching activities of the curriculum in which it is being used. The program may not be shown for other than instructional purposes unless a specific agreement is entered into at the time of purchase. The rental of a FOR HOME USE ONLY videotape for classroom use brings issues of contract law into play. Basically, when one rents something, they are agreeing to all conditions of the rental agreement, stated or implied.


http://library.louisiana.edu/Tech/policy_audio_visual.shtml

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The video cassettes and compact discs in the library are subject to the Revised Copyright Act of 1976, Title 17 of the U.S. Code, Sections 101-810, which took effect on January 1, 1978. The library prohibits the use of these materials in any way that violates Federal or State laws. Faculty, staff and students who disregard the copyright policy do so at their own risk and must assume liability for their actions. Videos are for home use and may not be shown outside a family residence, or at a place where a substantial number of people are gathered, regardless of whether admission is charged. Videos may be used in the classroom under the allowances of "fair-use" provided they follow these restrictions:

The performance must be by instructors or by pupils;
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Copying a work in its entirety is allowed only in emergency situations, regardless of its intended use. Patrons may refer to the FBI warning at the beginning of the video which states:

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Dupré library reserves the right to refuse circulation privileges to patrons who knowingly and willfully violate copyright law in their use of library materials including videos and compact discs. If you are in doubt about the use of a work check with the University's Copyright Handbook or with the Copyright Office.


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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Justin West
I wonder if they'd have a problem showing "Birth of a Nation" during civil-war-era discussions??
...or Jüd Suß in teaching about the Holocaust?

A much more difficult issue where BOAN is concerned, though, because it was a genuine milestone in film history (e.g. it practically invented many aspects of the continuity editing system). You can't ignore that because of the problematic way it deals with racial issues, but nor can you ignore the racial issues and deal with the stylistic ones in isolation.

But I can't for the life of me imagine any way that showing Tin Cup to a bunch of schoolkids serves any educational purpose.

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Showgirls on career day.

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Aaron Mehocic
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As a teacher here are my personal policies about showing R-rated films in class:

When I worked in the local high schools, full length R-rated films were out of the question. I learned this even before I was certified by speaking with a non-tenured teacher in a neighboring district who was fired for showing Platoon to his sophomores without any parental consent. However, on the other side of the coin, clips from R-rated features showing a visual context to the lecture can be fair game. The cautionary note here is that the clip must be free of sex, nudity, or overly explicit foul language (think of Carlin's comedy act). It has been my experience that most parents wont bitch at all about the violence in a film, but one cuss word (which their son or daughter already are perfect masters of) then watch out!

Now that I teach college the gloves are off. I do limit my full length films to just two. In 20th Century World, I show Enemy at the Gates, which I don't even know the rating; in American Involvement in Vietnam, its Path to War, an HBO production. Granted, these aren't Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now, but they have their moments high schools (and some deans) would frown upon.

Teachers can go overboard on showing film in place of their teaching. I actually see it a lot, so the Tin Cup contraversy didn't strike me as odd at all. In my opinion, film has a place - a very good place - in the classroom. The key is that it must represent the lecture, or part of the lecture perfect enough to provide context, but not to teach the lecture. So many high school teachers now are fed the crap by their university professors to be multi-media and let technology take over THEIR duties for them. Too bad when one thinks about it.

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our teacher had no problem (and neither did the entire class) with the Matrix when we had our discussion on Velocity in our Physics class.

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Aaron Mehocic
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For the sake of a discussion on media bias in my National Government course, I showed Fairenheit 911 one day and Fairenhype 911 the next. Nobody had any problem with either film, but I'll never do that again since both films will become more and more irrelavent as time passes.

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Under what sort of license do you exhibit these films?

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Dustin Mitchell
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I would assume it falls under that whole 'Fair use' thing; it is a government class after all.

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