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Author Topic: Free To Air (FTA) Satellite receivers, Anyone getting their Premium TV via satellite? Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 01-10-2005 04:34 PM                     Hi Guys, A friend hooked me up with a FTA satellite receiver for Christmas! This thing is SWEET!!! Just flash and go! No cards needed! I am just learning how to get the most out of this system, and I was wondering if any other members are also using them to receive their favorite Preimum channels for free? If you have any experience, please let me know, Erick [ 12-05-2005, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: Erick Akers ]  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-10-2005 05:05 PM                     Pay channels for free? What sounds illegal about this?  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 01-10-2005 05:43 PM                     quick search on google turned up this... http://www.wickonline.com/fta.htm from this and other sites...it seems like it's the Satellite version of Ham-radio. Other sites claim it's in HD (or at least some channels).  |  IP: Logged Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 01-10-2005 06:06 PM                     Brad, So far, it is totally legal. this is an ordinary Pansat 2500A satellite receiver, using the DVB standard, not a licenced and owned propriatary receiver. But, if you want, check and see if anyone has been sent to the pokie, I couldn't find any info on anyone having been busted yet. The Pansat opens these chanels, kind of like a dvd player, this receiver has a hidden menu for commercial brodcast systems. Like setting a DVD player for region free. Once software is loaded, It doesn't descriminate between subscribed channels, it enables all channels at the same time, even feeds for PPV. As it is not a registered and owned subscription receiver, it isn't subject to the same rules that would apply to Licenced Property Theft. But don't worry, this probably won't last for long. BTW: it comes with many broadcast formats straight from the factory. You dont have to hack cards, use emulators, or any of the other covert ops. to open the channels, just change a simple bin file via RS-232 null modem cable. The software is free; and at no charge, unlike the methods used by hackers to modify the Propriatory equipment. I just took it out of the box and turned it on, and it turns out that there is way more already open and free without changing a single thing. Pansat is a legitamate company,not THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE! For channels available FTA check with lingsat.com website. Dean, Exactly like ham, the channels do switch locations from time to time. just like the early days of satellite tv. If they chose to use a secure addressable encription system, without open source code such as linux, then it would be illegal to watch. BTW: there is some work involved, you have to map your own channels, and scan the sky. Edited: for the protection of Film-Tech and Brad Miller! Season's Greetings! [ 12-13-2005, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Erick Akers ]  |  IP: Logged Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 12-04-2005 01:34 AM                     Well, I'm still enjoying free premium tv in Dolby Digital! 5000 channels and everythings still on You guys and gals are really missing out. Satellite TV Kicks Arse! What is it NBC Sez? The More You Know! Want to know more? Ask. Joe, There's 15 channels for your international porn pleasure! [ 12-05-2005, 08:28 AM: Message edited by: Erick Akers ]  |  IP: Logged Mike Williams Master Film Handler Posts: 255 From: Knoxville, TN Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-04-2005 06:58 PM                     If you have an extra dish sitting around, you can plug it into this satelite tuner card and try it out on your computer without making the investment of an entire system. Erick, I am glad you posted about this. I have been wondering if it was worth getting. Many of the sites I have seen show that Free Satelite mainly only has channels from Europe or Asia.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-04-2005 07:00 PM                  Duh, it's called "Theft of Service". All the legit people that pay for it legally also pay for the thieves. Just because Canada doesn't offer the service, doesn't make it right to steal it since the signal spills over into your area. There are plenty of Canadian dealers that make equipment and hack cards that are legal up there but are not legal in the US...but will ship here. And of course, not to mention the $$$ for the changing "files" so as to keep the channels coming. BTW: Erick, get off the I-30 stuff... posting and announcing about your illegal activities on a public website opens you up to the Satellite/Cable Police and puts Brad and FT in jeopardy as well. Stick to the hacker sites.  |  IP: Logged Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 12-05-2005 04:55 AM                     Phill Enough said... This receiver is coming from a manufacturer in your neighborhood, Panarax has been in business since 1982. During the dawn of satellite TV, was it a moral question of signal theft? Hell, I still have in my posession an expired users licence from before the dawn of the home satellite revolution! Funny, It's ok to post here about other illegal activities here such as Programming your DVD players for Regions Free operation. Piratimg Movies, or downloading Pirated movies ect... All totaly illegal! Even if spoken in Jest! Why hell, if you use the magic search box, you will actually find many of our members, either illuding to doing such deeds or to openly confessing to performing illegal acts here. There are so many; even by moderators, that I don't even believe Daryl could find them all without blanking the entire database, and I found quite a few! As we share another hobby that resides in a grey area; Phll, you were the last person I thought would take offence at this subject!!! Cast any stones at yourself lately? There is no U.S. law that states that receiving Canadian Signals are illegal! If they (Canada) dont want it spilling over this far south, there is such a thing as a spot beam, they do it for all of the local channels for each U.S. state! BTW: 1. I am a paying suscriber! 2. I never said I was watching un open channels, only that it was possible. Believe me when I say, there's plenty of premium channels open and unscrambled sent out as back hauls, literally thousands! As with all of the newer forms of DBS the signals go up, come down to the re broadcast center and than go back up to space and then come back down to the paying subscriber! Bottom line, if they were bothered by this it would be scrambled from the point of origon and not use an open source code! DirectTV and 4DTV are the only services that do just that! It's just a hobby like anything else, but as with everyone, you are intitled to your own opinions on the subject. Jeesuss Christ Miss Martha, Lighten Up!!! Quote Phill Hill: BTW: Erick, get off the I-30 stuff... posting and announcing about your illegal activities..... So far you illuded to me being a thief, and a Drug user; and, if you reed between the lines... As per F-T rule #1, should be considererd a personal attack!!! If that was your intention; believe me, it was accepted as such! What or who crawled up your ass, anyway? I thought we were friends? I guess only to a point! Brad, Does Forum rule #1 count for shit? Brad, Seriously, If I have done anything to put Film-Tech in Jepordy, I apologise and would even resign my membership here, though this is hands down my favorite web forum! I have never attacked another member here, I'm not a fighter just a lover and peace maker!  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-05-2005 05:21 AM                  Holy Cow! I guess I got told, huh? Chill out Erick. It's just *MY* opinion. Just because it differs from yours is no need to get your panties all tied up in a knot and have a fit. OBTW: The I-30 comment is a standing joke around FT meaning "get real", "put your foot on the ground", and the like. Sorry you don't "get it".  |  IP: Logged Erick Akers Arse Kicker Posts: 201 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2001 posted 12-05-2005 06:59 AM                     quote: Phil Hill posting and announcing about your illegal activities... Phil, That's the part that I Dont get, or understand? The personal attack was in the wording: "posting and announcing your illegal activities" Note the word "Your". If only that particular word was dropped from the statement! If I'm wrong, please help me understand! I accept the I-30 running joke, but why assume my activities are illegal? I know you intended your statement as a frindly warning, but the meaning was lost in translation. (Pissed me off!) Sometimes translations go wrong, dont they Phil? Come on, I have never seen you get "your panties all tied up in a knot" over any of the other subjects that fall into the other illegal catagories as listed! All of the other illegal activities previously discussed here: 1. Hacking DTS discs. 2. Region Free DVD. 3. Downloading Pirated movies. 4. Collecting 35mm Features that fall off the truck.(Yeah Right!) I mean, I would never intend to put anyone in danger, especially me! As such, I have reworded my title and dropped any reffrence to certan satellite services previously listed! Why would this one subject be any different, and jepordise the F-T web site more than the others? All of these catagories fall into the relm of Federal law enforcement! Surely, the other post would have already endangered Film-Tech by now. Do we have any impending law suits? If I was out of line, I apologise to everyone! Especially you! You loveable old Coot! [ 12-05-2005, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: Erick Akers ]  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 12-05-2005 07:34 PM                  The words "your" and "you" were meant as a general hyperbole to mean "ALL" in general... not *YOU* specifically Erick. My fault for a poor choice of words. Perhaps I should have said "ones" and "one"... my bad. I don't accept the "Since everyone else is posting illegal stuff why are you jumping on this" argument. That is a poor justification: "... since others are doing similar things, it must be OK if I do this". Most all the stuff you (Erick) sight are tongue-in-cheek posts or have been slammed down as illegal or not acceptable. The basic problem with this thread is, as ***I*** see it is the cable/satellite police are very active in pursuing ANY hints of theft of service. I have NO idea of how they are in Texas, but here, within the last 6 months they have busted and big-time fined theft-of-service individuals and busted hack equipment manufacturers. Anyway, I really don't care one way or another and it certainly IS NOT an issue I'm gonna waste my time on researching here on FT. You've stated your opinion and I've stated mine. It certainly doesn't mean I dislike or hate you...as you seem to think. We just have a legitimate difference of opinion on this issue. Stick a fork in me, I'm done...I've said my piece and said what I wanted to say... Have at me, y'all  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 12-06-2005 08:04 AM                        quote: Phil Hill There are plenty of Canadian dealers that make equipment and hack cards that are legal up there but are not legal in the US...but will ship here. Just to clairfy, the unauthorized decryption of any data is illegal in Canada.  |  IP: Logged Mike Williams Master Film Handler Posts: 255 From: Knoxville, TN Registered: Feb 2002 posted 12-10-2005 12:13 PM                     I've got to ask... If the channels are not scrambled or encrypted, how is it considered stealing? I could definitely see an arguement for it being illegal if there was some process involved to descramble the signal, but this is not the case. You can receive it just by tuning to the channel and it is not scrambled. Would this not be similar being able to see the screen of a drive in from your house because the screen happens to be pointed in the right direction? It can't be illegal to look out your window!  |  IP: Logged Jamie Glossop Expert Film Handler Posts: 100 From: Nottingham Uk Registered: Jan 2004 posted 12-10-2005 06:56 PM                        Ive heard something like this before, Sounds intresting Free To Air  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-12-2005 06:19 AM                        quote: It can't be illegal to look out your window! In corporate America, sure it can, if some entertainment conglomerate screams "copyright infringment," they get whatever laws they want passed and the get the FBI to jump to attention. Lucky those people whose windows face the movie screen weren't forced to boarder them up by FBI agents. quote: Phil Hill but here, within the last 6 months they have busted and big-time fined theft-of-service individuals You know, I wish they would put as much effort in protecting me from the car theives who stole my car as they do trying to stop someone from sealing a movie that he otherwise would have had to pay $8 to see. And what really pisses me off to no end is how the MPAA gets to use the FBI as their own private police force. How come I don't get to put big stickers on my car saying FBI investigates and prosecutes car theft across state lines? I bet if I put anything anywhere on my car with the letters FBI on it, they'd arrest me for using their copyrighted, traidmarked anagram.  |  IP: Logged

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