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Bobby Henderson
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The teenaged author of the Sasser worm got a slap on the wrist. And then he'll probably get a good paying job as a programmer after that. The folks running legal systems and law enforcement agencies around the world just don't get it. Crime is still crime even if it happens in the digital domain.

Perhaps it might be a bit harsh to throw this snot nosed vandal into "gen pop" within a maximum security prison for a few decades. But it would be perfectly fair for him to get sued into permanent oblivion, to the tune of at least several thousand dollars for each computer infected.

Anyway, here's a link and copy of the story text below:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/08/sasser.suspended/index.html

quote:

Sasser author gets suspended term
Friday, July 8, 2005; Posted: 9:19 a.m. EDT (13:19 GMT)

BERLIN, Germany (CNN) -- A German court has convicted the teenager who created the Sasser worm that snarled tens of thousands of computers last year and sentenced him to 21 months' probation.

Sven Jaschan, 19, from the northwest town of Waffensen, could have faced five years in prison as an adult but was tried as a minor because the court determined he created the virus when he was 17, said Katharina Kreutzfeldt, spokeswoman for the Verden State Court outside Bremen.

As part of the sentence, Jaschan will have to perform 30 hours of community work, either at a hospital or a retirement home, Kreutzfeldt said.

Prosecutors say Jaschan sent the computer worm on the Internet on his 18th birthday, April 29, 2004.

It was blamed for shutting down British Airways flight check-ins, hospitals and government offices in Hong Kong, part of Australia's rail network, Finnish banks, British Coast Guard stations, and millions of other computers worldwide.

The court said it was impossible to estimate the amount of damage. So far, no international civil suits have yet been filed, officials said.

Four German lawsuits were settled for under €1,000 each, said Arend Bosse, spokesman for the Rotenburg-Wuemme State Court.

Jaschan was caught last year after a tipster cashed in on a $250,000 reward offered by Microsoft, whose Windows system was prey to the virus.

Microsoft says the virus was part of a growing problem: hackers profiting from Windows vulnerabilities revealed by patches. The virus appeared 18 days after the company posted a patch to fix a flaw, and it attacked computers that hadn't downloaded the patch.

Jaschan, who reportedly spent up to 10 hours a day on his homemade computer, told Stern Magazine in an interview that he created the virus, which he called "Netzsky A," to combat two existing viruses, Mydoom and Bagle. Computer experts named Jaschan's virus "Sasser."

Jaschan, meanwhile, has taken a job at a computer company that creates anti-virus programs. After three years, Jaschan's conviction will be erased from public record if there are no new offenses, Kreutzfeldt said.

Authorities who questioned Jaschan said they believed his motive was to become a famous programmer. He was arrested at his computer at his the home of his mother, who runs a computer store.


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Tim Reed
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Just kill him!

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Floyd Justin Newton
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Tim--

That MAY work. However there gazilions of such charaters out
there! (BTW I just spent $285.18 last week to get my computer
cleaned out.) [Eek!]

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John Walsh
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I mentioned this before (and I'm sure others have, too) but I think most politicians know very little about internet/computer technology. They have staff people print out their emails, perform internet searchs, etc. As a result, they rarely have to deal with the aggravation of spam, worms, virus', etc. themselves. So they still think computer problems are minor, victimless crimes.

Tim is right ... [evil]

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Gordon McLeod
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Also remember that not every country has the same laws in place and as such what may be a serious offence in one is not in another

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Paul Mayer
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Nuke 'em! [evil]

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Louis Bornwasser
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Nuke 'em twice!

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Bobby Henderson
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quote:
It was blamed for shutting down British Airways flight check-ins, hospitals and government offices in Hong Kong, part of Australia's rail network, Finnish banks, British Coast Guard stations, and millions of other computers worldwide.
I just wanted to repeat that part of the news story.

Computers are controlling lots and lots of different systems where people's lives can be affected. Computers are controlling police dispatch systems, traffic control systems, medical dispatch, triage and other patient details. If a worm adversely affects those systems it could literally get someone killed.
[Mad]

And then you have the simple fact many small businesses rely on computers more than ever before to manage payroll, bill paying, organizing sales leads and more. If a piece of malware toasts a small business' main computer (likely to be a WindowsPC) it could put that business in some trouble. If the business was already struggling, such an event could be enough to finish off the business.

These are reasons why computer based crime needs to be punished much more severely. They need to be jammed with a 1st degree, federal level penalty that stays on their record permanently. These turds need to have the same hell visited on them that happens to any dumbass who robs a 7-Eleven. Such a felony conviction would automatically disqualify the convict from being able to get dozens of kinds of jobs. Offenders should be liable to extremely severe civil prosecution.

Many computer users may be dumb and reckless with their useage habits. But that removes absolutely no blame at all from the criminals who unleash malware online. It's basically the same logic behind punishing rape. It doesn't matter if some lady walks past you wearing nothing but a G-string and high heels. If she says "no" and you jump her anyway you committed rape and you need to be put away forever.

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Gordon McLeod
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"Such a felony conviction would automatically disqualify the convict from being able to get dozens of kinds of jobs. Offenders should be liable to extremely severe civil prosecution"
That still deosn't address that the prosecution must occur in the country of the person and there criminal codes may not recognize the crime

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Dominic Espinosa
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quote: Bobby Henderson
The teenaged author of the Sasser worm got a slap on the wrist. And then he'll probably get a good paying job as a programmer after that. The folks running legal systems and law enforcement agencies around the world just don't get it. Crime is still crime even if it happens in the digital domain.
The laws are rediculously unbalanced.
Moreover, it's not really even his fault that his worm caused so many problems.
There's thousands of pieces of software that will cripple a Windows machine because Windows machines are rediculously vulnerable.
You'd think M$ would learn by now but they just don't.
They should run *Nix.

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Tim Reed
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quote: Dominic Espinosa
Moreover, it's not really even his fault that his worm caused so many problems.
What other purpose does a worm pgm have?

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Dominic Espinosa
Moreover, it's not really even his fault that his worm caused so many problems.
That is fundamentally wrong. It is 100% his fault. He unleashed his piece of malware into the wild. It is all his fault for every computer infected.

If you just blindly fire a gun through a neighborhood, it would still be all your fault if the bullet hit someone -even if you didn't see the target down range. You pulled the trigger.

If you drove across an overpass and hurled a brick out your window at the Interstate highway below, it would be your fault if the brick went through someone else's windshield -even if you didn't see the car coming.

Sure, anyone can make arguments that Windows is crap and that all Microsoft products are vulnerable -but really that kind of argument is just bullshit. The only people that need to be blamed for computer viruses is the virus writers themselves. And it's high time they be very severely punished.

Virus writers are worthless, cowardly scum. They hide in their little cubby holes and laugh at how they screw things up for everyone else. Perhaps it might be a bit sadistic, but I think I would find it entertaining for one of these hackers to be handed over to a mob of hacking victims for one hell of an ass beating.

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Oscar Neundorfer
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quote: Dominic Espinosa
Moreover, it's not really even his fault that his worm caused so many problems.

If his worm crippled my computer, and I could have about 10 minutes alone with him, I think he would know at the end of 10 minutes exactly whose fault it was.

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Brad Miller
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There really ought to be a $1 million fine for every person caught like this, plus 5 years in jail with no possibility for early release AND MOST IMPORTANTLY that person is banished FOR LIFE by the government to work in any capacity, a job that has ANYTHING to do with a computer, short of punching an order up at a fast food place. The fine for that should be $5 million and the employer should be slapped with $20 million fine for hiring him.

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Adam Wilbert
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I bet Microsoft is pleased with their $250,000 return on investment. [Roll Eyes]

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