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Topic: Air France plane crash at Toronto
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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 08-02-2005 04:18 PM
As reported on the CBC news feed Link
Passenger jet on fire at Toronto airport
Last Updated Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:15:37 EDT
CBC News
An Air France jet with as many as 200 people aboard has skidded off a runway while landing at Toronto's Pearson International Airport, bursting into flames and sending thick black smoke pouring into the air.
There is no word on the condition of the passengers and crew members on board the A340, with the plane still burning an hour after the 3:50 p.m. crash.
The Air France jet burst into flames after skidding off a runway at Toronto's Pearson Airport Tuesday.
The airplane was trying to land in bad weather when it skidded off the east-west runway just metres from one of Toronto's busiest roads, Highway 401.
"There was quite a downpour. The visibility was really bad, with lots of lightning," said John Finlay, a CBC News journalist who was at the airport at the time of the accident.
The jet crashed through barriers and ended up in the Etobicoke Creek ravine, a small valley at the far west end of the airport, the aircraft's fuselage tipped down and its tail in the air.
"An Air France plane landing on Runway 24 Left went off the end of the runway in the area of Convair Drive and the 401 area in Mississauga," Peel police Sgt. Glyn Griffiths said at about 4:30 p.m.
He said the number and extent of injuries was still unknown.
Rescue crews trying to extinguish the flames.
The incident happened as most operations at the airport were grounded because of the severe thunderstorms that had been reported in the area.
Rescue crews are on the scene.
The Greater Toronto Airport Authority is holding a news conference at this hour to give details about the crash.
[ 08-02-2005, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]
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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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posted 08-02-2005 05:19 PM
the latest from cbc Link
No fatalities in Toronto airplane fire
Last Updated Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:13:44 EDT
CBC News
All 309 people aboard a jet that overshot a runway and burst into flames at Pearson International Airport Tuesday survived the ordeal, according to fire officials on the scene.
There were 14 minor injuries, however.
The Air France jet burst into flames after skidding off a runway at Toronto's Pearson Airport Tuesday.
One passenger aboard the Air France Airbus A340, Roel Bramar, told CBC News that he saw lightning just as the plane landed in a torrential downpour at about 3:50 p.m.
"I'm sure that the bad weather was responsible," said Bramar, who was not injured and managed to scramble off the plane by means of an emergency chute. He was the second person off the plane, he said.
* RELATED STORY: Everyone was 'running like crazy': passenger
Flight 358 from Paris had been scheduled to arrive at Toronto at 3:35 p.m. EDT. Something went badly wrong, and the plane overshot its intended runway by about 200 metres.
The plane skidded off Runway 24 Left, an east-west runway laid out parallel to one of Toronto's busiest roads, Highway 401. It ended up in the Etobicoke Creek ravine, a small valley at the far west end of the airport, the aircraft's fuselage tipped down and its tail in the air.
"We had a hell of a roller-coaster going down the ravine," Bramar said. "All I could think of was 'Get off!'"
Emergency crews were still on the scene by early evening.
Rescue crews trying to extinguish the flames.
While cleanup efforts continued and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada prepared to begin its investigation, all incoming flights were being rerouted to Ottawa's airport.
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The incident happened as most operations at the airport were grounded because of severe thunderstorms in the area.
At mid-afternoon Tuesday, a spokesperson with the Greater Toronto Airports Authority said lightning was causing technical problems with the airport's lightning-detection system. All aircraft were grounded for safety reasons as a result, largely to protect crews working on the ground.
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 08-03-2005 02:13 AM
quote: Bill Enos
In light of the last paragraph of Gordon's post, what imbecile gave permission for the plane to land under those conditions?
A Canadian aviation expert noted that Daryl points out, the 'red alert' at the airport meant that ground movements such as towing aircraft, unloading baggage and extending airbridges are not permitted in order to prevent the risk of ground staff being struck by lightning. Aircraft are allowed to land, but must then wait with the passengers and crew inside until the alert is lifted. He then continued to point out that most of the other arrivals at Toronto yesterday afternoon were diverted after either their captains, the ground controllers or both decided that landing would be too risky. If so, I guess the question needs to be asked as to why that flight attempted to land in conditions when so many others didn't.
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I have to wonder if this was like that first air show Airbus crash where the plane was programmed to land but the pilot was frantically trying to re-program the nav so it didn't.
quote: Richard Fowler
I was in an Airbus 10 years ago during a storm in the Caribbean and the pilot attempted to land three times before aborting and flying another 40 minutes to the next available airport. From what they told me the on board computers upon wheel touchdown told them to "go around" so as not to overshoot the runway
In which case, why didn't the pilot 'go around' in this case, too? If the plane was failing to decelerate after touchdown, surely that would have been the obvious thing to do? A passenger who was interviewed on the radio this morning said that the touchdown was 'very hard... much more of a thud than usual'. Perhaps the heavy landing could have damaged the undercarriage and/or sensors which feed the on-board computers, thereby contributing to the accident? Thankfully, both the crew and (presumably) the black boxes survived intact, and so the investigation should be able to get to the bottom of it.
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