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Topic: Are You What You Drink?
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Phil Hill
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posted 10-20-2005 04:44 PM
From the Los Angeles Times Calendar Feature Section
NIGHT LIFE The 86-proof solution It's men's turn to be dissected on their first-date drink orders. By Brad Dickson Special to The Times
October 20, 2005
What you drink might indeed give your date an immediate idea about who you are, and in this space last week female readers enjoyed a primer on what their companions derive from that first beverage order.
But does a guy's choice of drink leave a similar first impression?
Probably - even if it's not the first impression.
I mean, by the time a dude gets to the all-important drink stage of a first date, he has been under plenty of scrutiny. So that "instant opinion" she forms when he orders his drink? It's usually the 353rd opinion she's formed in 10 minutes. (Including the conclusion drawn when he scratched his nose three times with his right hand. Ah-ha!)
After consulting some female friends and random mixologists, I submit to you guys a compendium of popular drinks - and what that woman could be thinking when you order one:
Beer on tap: Women told me they think a man who orders a beer is reliable, down-to-earth and low-maintenance. But he may put his dog - possibly a Labrador mix named Prince - before them.
Dark beer: Women were divided - Is he overtly masculine, or is he a guy who's playing pseudo-sophisticate to the nth degree?
Cosmopolitan: Shops at Pier One. Women immediately place in the "friend" category.
Martini: Just blurt it out - "Let me impress you with my suave, metrosexual ways." Women view this drink as a sign of social skills. On the Westside, this is particularly effective, since the martini will frequently be ordered with a faux British accent.
Mike's Hard Lemonade: A rank amateur. Women check the ID to make sure he's really 21.
Rum and Coke: Women said "Average Joe," a joiner, a person so nondescript he's a possible future Supreme Court nominee.
Scotch on the rocks: Elegant, sophisticated, with manly Old World charm. Either that or he read the book "999 Ways to Impress Chicks" while working the drive-through window.
Harvey Wallbanger: A man's man; the type who goes to football games shirtless with five of his friends, each with a letter across his torso spelling out their team's nickname.
Red Bull and vodka: A bandwagon-jumper who wears a shirt emblazoned in 14-inch "Tommy Hilfiger" lettering and asks "How about our Angels?" even though he's not certain what sport they play.
Wine (red or white): Distinguished and ambitious. Although that vacant staring at the wine list is viewed as a way of avoiding conversation.
Long Island iced tea: "My backseat sleeps two comfortably."
Gin and tonic: Possibly dull, he regales dates with complaints about his failed third marriage.
Margarita: "The party didn't even get started till 4:30 in the morning and then we were still doing Jell-O shooters at 7 p.m. the next day" type.
Tequila: Women surmise a tequila drinker is a free spirit. Always a chance he could cancel a future date due to court-ordered attendance at an AA meeting.
Club soda: First thing a woman thinks is "on the wagon." Second thing she thinks is "cheap." Best way to determine which is to see if he takes you to Norm's [an inexpensive Los Angeles restaurant chain] on your second date and then says it's his birthday so he gets the free sliver of carrot cake.
Zima: Women think you're the type who will invite them back to your double-wide to watch the "Dukes of Hazzard" marathon.
- Brad Dickson can be reached at weekend@latimes.com.
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Brian Michael Weidemann
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posted 10-20-2005 08:07 PM
I adore dark beer. Guinness (Draught or Stout brews) is always a good standby drink. However, I am NEITHER overtly masculine nor pseudo-sophisticated. I've just numbed my taste buds over the years that a rich, dark, embittered beer is soothing and tasty. Manly? Hardly.
Both assessments imply the dark beer drinker is trying, in some capacity, to be impressive. If pseudo-sophisticates are trying to "pretend" to be authentically sophisticated, this means that ACTUAL sophisticated people drank dark beer first! So why must a dark beer drinker be necessarily relegated to the designation "pseudo", if they logically can exist in both classes? We learned syllogisms in first year Logic and Philosophy, did we not!?! Oh, wait, this list was assembled from WOMEN'S assessments, and, as we all know, women are rarely, if ever, logical!
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Bobby Henderson
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posted 10-20-2005 08:37 PM
quote: Zima: Women think you're the type who will invite them back to your double-wide to watch the "Dukes of Hazzard" marathon.
I thought only under-age girls drank that Zima crap! I don't know about other places, but in my part of Oklahoma a fellow being seen in public with a Zima in his hand would be one way for him to say he's coming out of the closet.
I'm no great, sophisticated drinker. Pretty much just a beer guy. Michelob or Bud Dry is decent for football games. I seem to enjoy lots of different Mexican beer, whether it's Sol, Dos Equis (amber or dark) or Corona. Tecate is even great. One lady warned me, "you'll get mono drinking that." I replied, "don't worry, I've had my shots." Dark beer is great at parties. That's because I drink them more slowly. That allows me to watch everyone else get hammered well before I get drunk. Then the practical jokes and video making can ensue.
Hard drinks are scary. For some reason, I think it's easier to do Tequila shooters than shots of Crown or Makers. But I can't pace myself doing shots or even mixed drinks for that matter. It's a bad deal if a friend has to drive you home and you vomit all over the passenger side of your vehicle. Not the vehicle I own now, but the one I used to have years ago.
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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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posted 10-20-2005 08:38 PM
Chipper:
Rum and Coke: This is a basic, and fairly safe, drink choice. Someone who likes to have fun but can keep herself in check.
quote: The Far More Important Article
October 13, 2005
NIGHT LIFE I'll have a first impression, with a twist *If there's truth in wine, then what about tequila? Or a Cosmo? To your date, that drink order may speak volumes.
By Nicole Roberge, Special to The Times
The request seems innocent enough: "We should go for a drink sometime," he says. Happy he even asked you, you pretty yourself up. Hair is perfect, just-so-subtle makeup, and of course a great new outfit. Sure, you may have the typical first-date jitters, but that should all be secondary to the one looming danger of first-date drinks: What should you order to drink?
Like it or not, ladies, that initial drink order speaks more to your date than your perfect hair. Though most guys I've talked with agree that it is better to go for drinks first because it helps to loosen things up a bit, they also admit that they make assumptions about their date based on what she orders to drink.
The second you order your drink, he forms an opinion of you. And from that second on, he knows if it's going to be a bad night, a good night or a really good night (see: tequila).
Before you start downing those shots — or gingerly sipping your wine — here are some drinks decoded, so the next time a guy asks you out for a drink you can check your jitters at the bar.
Beer: It doesn't matter what kind you drink, most guys approve and it shows you are laid-back and comfortable in your surroundings, not trying to impress anyone.
But they advise that if it is a first date and you're going for drinks somewhere other than a sports bar, it's probably not the best choice.
Wine (red or white): A bit refined, or at least pretending to be.
Margarita: A fun-loving girl with lots of personality.
Gin and tonic: Guys are split on this one. Some say it signifies a sophisticated woman; others say it is someone looking to get drunk.
Either way, it signals that you may have hit your grandma's liquor cabinet early on. Use sparingly.
Martini: Somewhat classy — or you just like the fun glass.
Cosmopolitan: A bit trendy, and some guys view it as snobby. Also, it shows someone with expensive taste. So if the guy's paying the bill, steer clear of this one, especially if the date's going badly. He doesn't want to have to take out a loan to buy you drinks.
Long Island iced tea: He knows how much alcohol is in it — and that you might end up spending the night feeling very, very ill.
Rum and Coke: This is a basic, and fairly safe, drink choice. Someone who likes to have fun but can keep herself in check.
Whiskey and Coke: Borderline alcoholic. Someone who is a bit sassy, will speak her mind and won't care what anyone thinks.
Vodka cranberry: Someone not familiar with many drinks, but who still likes to have fun and knows that vodka will do the trick without tasting too bad.
Red Bull and vodka: An absolute party girl. Save this one for the club.
Smirnoff Ice/Mike's Hard Lemonade/wine cooler: He probably won't appreciate this drink choice; unless your date is at the 7-Eleven, get a real drink.
Mudslide/white Russian: Any drink with milk in it scares guys.
Sea breeze/Midori sour/amaretto sour: A bit of a good girl. Someone who likes to drink but doesn't like the taste of alcohol.
Tequila: Guys dig a tequila drinker, but some claim "she is a keeper — just for the night though." Avoid at all costs if you don't want to end up seeing his sheets. Otherwise, bottoms up.
Despite the differences in drinks, the message remains the same — he sizes you up by your preference in alcohol.
But don't change your typical drink order to give a different perception of yourself. If your martini and his Bud don't mesh well, then so be it. When you move in together, at least your liquor cabinet will have lots of variety.
Nicole Roberge can be reached at weekend@latimes.com.
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