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Topic: Windows VISTA
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Mark Ogden
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Little Falls, N.J.
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 07-08-2006 02:31 PM
I understand that this is a Windows OS thread, but I must ask your forbearance for a minute, because I gots to mention something.
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Vista will have a lot of different versions . . . There's an expensive Enterprise version . . . There's two "Home" versions . . . There is a "Business" version and then there's an "Ultimate" version . . . Out of these, I'm not sure which one is an equivalent product to go in line with Win2000 Professional and WinXP Professional. Do I get a PC with the "Business" version or the "Ultimate" version
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What I would need to know is how well Premiere Pro will run on Vista. That program, I believe, currently only works with XP and won't even run on 2000 . . . XP seems to run OK for me (at work, I use the professional version for video production; however, I keep that computer off the network, so I haven't encountered any security issues) . . . At home, I have Windows Media Edition (based on XP) and while I have the occasional lock-up, its still way better than the problems I had with 98 (I realize that's no saying much).
This is one of the things that have made me so ardently, smugly and defensively a Mac person. There is NONE of this ridiculous operating system guessing game. No trying to guess how much OS you need to drive your shit, or how much your current hardware will support, or whether or not you will need to upgrade later. In Macworld, it’s all just OSX, with just one level, and everything from Elmo’s Sesame Street Sing-a-Long to Final Cut Pro HD installs and runs on it beautifully. And that’s huge.
I hope Vista works out for you all, so that this winter you will be able to do everything I’ve been doing since last summer, with an absolute minimum of virus attacks. Maybe.
That’s all. Carry on. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 07-08-2006 04:49 PM
It took only four posts to steer this into fucking lame Mac versus PC territory.
Mike, besides Final Cut Studio and other Apple branded software, exactly what kind of programs are you running that aren't available on Windows? Even with video editing as an example, exactly what have you been doing on a Mac that no PC user can currently do (and have to wait 6 months until Vista comes out to do it)?
In the area of video editing, developers like Avid, Adobe and others have caught up to Apple. Some have even surpassed it. Apple has just slashed the over $4000 price on Shake down around 10% of its former price. That's because lots of effects houses are using better applications, like Windows-only based Eyeon Fusion 5. Apple is now working on a new node-based compositing program to completely replace Shake. Anyway, Apple is one company. They have lots of competitors in the creative software industry who are not just going to give up, quit their jobs and worship at the grand altar of the Apple logo.
Security is the biggest problem with Windows. But if the MacOS had anywhere near as many users it absolutely would be attacked just as much as Windows. Even with the security issue noted, I haven't had any problems with spyware and other threats in years, much less any virus problems. It is not difficult at all to get a Windows-based system secure. You just have to take the steps to do it.
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
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posted 07-08-2006 05:10 PM
Agreed with Bobby. It seems to me that Macs serve three niche markets, and do so very well: (i) those who want an out-of-the-box all in computer which is easy to use and looks stylish, and are willing to pay more and sacrifice flexibility for that, (ii) those who want to use a small number of specialised applications, e.g. FCP, which either aren't published in Windows versions at all or where the Windows version is inferior, or (iii) those who want to make a political statement about Microsoft and again are willing to pay more and sacrifice flexibility to do so.
The people who are going to use Windows Vista probably don't fall into any of those categories, and so as Bobby says, there's no point in getting into a Microsoft vs. Apple debate in this context.
Personally I have no ideological position at all. When I built my last home PC just over two years ago, a Mac which did all the things my Windows can do for me would have cost around £3,000 in total, compared with the £1,200 I paid for the bits to build this machine and the applications software on it. Interestingly, most of the extra would have been for software. When I replaced my laptop last October, I did look at the Mac range - but there again, the equivalent Mac package to the hardware and software spec would have cost almost double. Windows-based computers deliver what I need for them more cheaply and flexibly than their Apple equivalents - end of story, as far as I'm concerned. It's like when I book with an airline, I don't decide on the basis of whether they use Boeings or Airbuses - I buy the cheapest and most convenient ticket I need to get from A to B and back again, when I need to get there.
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Leo Enticknap
Film God
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 07-09-2006 05:35 AM
quote: Bobby Henderson
Anyway, to get back on topic, Microsoft is going to have a difficult time getting lots of users to upgrade to Vista. Much of that has to do with the hardware requirements. I've had the opinion for a long time that it is usually only best to upgrade to a new version of Windows when you buy a new PC. Very often the extra hardware requirements of a new operating system will make an older existing PC just run slower.
That was true of both 95 and XP (i.e. they both needed a major upgrade in hardware spec from the previous generation of Windows). As a result I'd guess that the vast majority of Windows licences are probably sold in a bundle with PC hardware, meaning that, as Bobby points out, for most people, the upgrade in the OS will happen the next time they buy a new computer.
Another factor that I'd guess would reinforce this trend is that the beefed up anti-piracy measures which appeared from XPSP2 (i.e. you can't download patches and updates to a pirate copy of Windows, and the OS automatically 'phones home' to check validity whenever the PC's online), must have vastly reduced the number of illegal Windows installations, if not eliminated them altogether in the developed world. So unless MS prices Windows for bundling with new PCs very competetively, the fact that it's now a lot more difficult to use a pirate copy would instantly create a substantial market for any potential competitors, e.g. Linux.
So for those reasons I'd speculate that the only people who will install Vista as a 'software only' upgrade are home PC builders whose hardware spec is already way above the XP average, and those who are forced into doing so by applications software compatibility. I'm certainly going to give it at least 6-12 months from the public release - i.e. time for the most serious bugs and security holes to be found and fixed - before thinking about buying it, which will probably be when I next substantially upgrade my hardware.
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Greg Anderson
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Ogden Valley, Utah
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-09-2006 04:13 PM
To Monte, Adam (and anyone else),
What's your user agreement like when you use a Beta version of an OS? Are you allowed, for example, to share screenshots with us? Are you required to give feedback to Microsoft or restricted from giving feedback to anyone else in particular?
Personally, I can't see myself paying for the privilege of turning my own computer into part of Microsoft's Beta experiment, but I'm open to the idea that you see things differently. So, besides bragging rights, why did you do it? And can you give more specifics about the whiz-bang, neato improvements?
Personally, I have Mac and PC machines living peacefully in the same home. And... I don't know if you ever watch VH1's Best Week Ever but this weekend they've included some rather biting spoofs of those recent "'I'm a Mac' and 'I'm a PC'" commercials. The PC finally gets a backbone.
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