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Topic: No smoking ban starts 1st July in UK
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Jim Bedford
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From: Telluride, CO, USA (733 mi. WNW of Rockwall, TX but it seems much, much longer)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-30-2007 09:07 AM
Here in Telluride, our town government banned smoking in most indoor commercial spaces, offices, public meeting areas and government buildings in 1988. Bars were excepted at that time but now all indoor public spaces have been smoke free for almost ten years. Now of course, much of the US is smoke free, especially restaurants, and designated smoking areas are harder to find and smaller as the number of smokers dwindle. (Fewer than 22% of the US adult population smokes today and this figure drops each year.)
We're a resort town with a pretty radical population and I have to say (I'm a non-smoker) the only impacts of the law has been positive. There were the same dire predictions of loss of business and fears that other restrictions were close behind, but neither materialized. (Although the town banned open-fire, wood burning fireplaces and stoves around the same time and for some the same health reasons.)
Since the bans this region of about 3500 has seen more than two billion dollars of investment dollars come into the area to start businesses, build hotels and homes, as well as public works like a free Gondola, parks, trails, roads, etc. Our community recently condemned 600+ acres just out of town and paid $50Million for it. Telluride acquires Valley Floor
Smokers? Please just go outside, in your car or in your own home to poison yourself. Let the rest of us enjoy smoke-free air.
"Mind if I smoke?" "No, mind if I fart?" Steve Martin
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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 06-30-2007 01:28 PM
Being a non-smoker, I'll grin happily when smoking is finally banned in all commercial businesses including bars. Bring it on!
We have one bar in my town that is non-smoking. Not by its own choice either. It had to go non smoking since its main entrance is within a hotel lobby. But going to a non-smoking environment did not kill its business at all. Some customers left, but others starting visiting because it was smoke free. Lots of people have health conditions like asthma where they have to avoid triggers like cigarette smoke. Many of them still enjoy a beer or mixed drink. They are potential customers.
Smoking has not been seen as being a cool and attractive practice in a long time. It just isn't fashionable anymore.
I'm sure the high and ever rising cost of health care in the United States is another factor driving the negative attitudes against smoking. Here in Oklahoma more than half the smoking population doesn't have health insurance. So when they get lung cancer the hospitals get to eat some of the cost and pass the rest to American tax payers. And then we get higher health care bills.
The food industry had better get ready. They're next. Clogged arteries is an even worse, preventable problem than lung cancer.
quote: Mike Blakesley I find it amazing that anyone starts smoking nowadays. Never mind the health issues, since all young people are indestructible anyway; but why would you even want such an inconvenient "hobby?"
Lots of teens start smoking because they want to be seen as adults. I don't think so many of them would start smoking in the first place if they knew how many of us adults view teen smokers: idiots.
Several guys at my work place have quit smoking over the last couple of years. Out of 20 employees we have only a mere handful of smokers left. Most have quit not over the health reasons. A smoking habit is just damned expensive! Some of those guys figured out they were spending $100, $200 or even more per month on the habit.
quote: Chad Souder I would rather private businesses be allowed to decide what legal activities they do or do not allow on their premises and the patronage or lack there of by the consumer would help them to make that decision. I swear I remember reading the role of government in a book somewhere once.
This is one area where I do not agree with allowing the market to police itself. The market has had many decades to do that already and did nothing but allow anyone to smoke as much as he wanted.
One of the driving issues with smoking bans is the health considerations for the employees working in such establishments like restaurants and bars. A non-smoking server working in a restaurant that allows smoking here in Oklahoma was seen to breathe in as much second hand smoke as having a 1-2 pack a day smoking habit.
Here in Oklahoma smoking is banned in all offices, public buildings and governmental buildings. Restaurants can allow smoking only if they have a separate smoking area in the building with a separate ventilation system. That costs a lot. So most restaurants simply banned smoking. Bars can still allow smoking, but I'm pretty sure the state law has a time line to snuff out that practice in another couple of years.
Overall, the number of smokers in my state has been dropping. Whenever I visit a night club in Oklahoma City or Tulsa I'm kind of surprised by how few people are smoking there. I just wish Lawton was as advanced in that trend.
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