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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

Posts: 3977
From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 12-01-2007 06:44 PM

Hi All --

I've just moved the forums to a new server running many different versions of supporting software.

Please try things out and report anything that isn't working.

Thanks,

Daryl

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David Stambaugh
Film God

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From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 12-01-2007 06:53 PM

When viewing a page in a long thread (one that spans multiple pages), if I click on a page number link to jump forward or backward, I get "404" page not found.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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posted 12-01-2007 07:01 PM

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 12-01-2007 07:01 PM

Fixed, thanks.

Scott --

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David Stambaugh
Film God

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posted 12-01-2007 07:09 PM

This is not a new problem, but for as long as I can remember, if I'm logged out for whatever reason (or I'm using a different/foreign PC -- no cookies), I get an error message when I log in.

FYI
A search or login error has occured. Please click here to go to the master forum index.

BTW, things seem very snappy. [Smile]

Also also, "occurred" has 2 r's. [uhoh]

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 12-01-2007 07:19 PM

That's the way Infopop shipped it!

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Mike Olpin
Chop Chop!

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From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Jan 2002

posted 12-02-2007 04:43 PM

It still doesn't have collapsing sections, a social network, web 2.0 style buttons, customization, style sheets, extensive use of AJAX and flash, the direct url blocking prevents threads from being able to go viral, and the url has to many vowels in it. Should be more like FilmTchr or something.

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Chris Slycord
Film God

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From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 12-02-2007 05:27 PM

I think it's a good thing the forums don't use flash.

flash isn't something that works particularly well on linux. And there's no version of flash at all for 64-bit computers (you'll have to trick the browser into using the 32-bit player).

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 12-03-2007 10:23 AM

Maybe this isn't exactly what you were wanting... but more smilies, please! [Wink]

I think we've always needed one of a BIG laugh - a regular guffaw.

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99

posted 12-03-2007 12:33 PM

That's what this one is for: [ian]

If you've ever met Ian, you'd know.

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Adam Martin
I'm not even gonna point out the irony.

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From: Dallas, TX
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 12-03-2007 01:26 PM

: rofl :

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 12-03-2007 07:06 PM

quote: Chris Slycord
I think it's a good thing the forums don't use flash.

There's a lot of good things about Flash. Flash Video is certainly taking over on a lot of sites that stream video -with YouTube being the biggest user. The only thing I don't like about Flash is how it behaves in sites with lots of CSS and DHTML. You can't put anything in a DIV layer above anything Flash-based since it always wants to be on top in graphical object stacking. Flash 8 and Flash 9 support alpha channel transparency, which helps things a bit.

The folks maintaining Film-Tech are free to choose what kinds of graphics formats the site supports. But I do feel it is missing something in not supporting any vector-based graphics file formats.

SVG, another Adobe creation (with input from the WWW Consortium SVG Working Group), is an alternative. Most modern web browsers now have native support for SVG -although Internet Explorer requires a plug-in (available from Adobe). And I'm pretty sure it is 64-bit friendly. The open source vector-drawing application, Inkscape, saves artwork in SVG format. Still, you're going to get far better results on creating and saving SVG files from Adobe Illustrator. Adobe Illustrator, Acrobat Pro and InDesign are also best at creating PDF files.

It's also worth mentioning that Adobe has released a lot of its own privately developed code into the Open Source realm via its ASL libraries. Some of this is a shrewd business move to make certain features of SVG, Flash and PDF technology more ubiquitous on lots of different devices -and head off any crap Microsoft tries to pull.

quote: Chris Slycord
flash isn't something that works particularly well on linux. And there's no version of flash at all for 64-bit computers (you'll have to trick the browser into using the 32-bit player).

64-bit operating systems and Linux are not mainstream computer user items. Likewise, Adobe isn't in a big hurry to recompile all of their applications in 64-bit form.

Perhaps 64-bit could come to pass when Adobe's "CS4" suites get released in 2009. The bigger pressure on Adobe right now is to get more of their applications coded in multi-threaded form to take advantage of multi-core or multi-processor systems. Photoshop, Premiere and After Effects are the company's only major applications which take advantage of multiple cores or multiple processors.

Still, the 4GB RAM limit with 32-bit applications can be a problem when dealing with really large graphics files. When you're editing a Photoshop file in excess of 1GB or 2GB a computer system can start really bogging down even if you have 4GB of RAM, the latest CPUs and graphics cards.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 12-03-2007 11:35 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
The folks maintaining Film-Tech are free to choose what kinds of graphics formats the site supports. But I do feel it is missing something in not supporting any vector-based graphics file formats.

Pffft. We've tried that before... looooong ago. I still have builds of this website on my computer that I made from Flash. Like most Flash websites it was all style, little function. Bitmapped graphics load quickly, look less retarded and the site is much zippier and more easily updatable as a result.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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posted 12-04-2007 07:32 AM

With a few exceptions (low-quality video that needs to load quickly, product demonstrations/training, and Flash-based "art" (some of which is actually pretty well done)), Flash pretty much sucks. It defeats the purpose of the web by not working on all platforms and with all browsers, is difficult to index and search, and is proprietary to Macromedia/Adobe.

Another issue is that Flash is commonly used for advertising and, as a result of annoying Flash-based ads, many of us don't install the plugin or use Flashblock (Firefox plug-in) to load Flash material only when necessary.

Agreed that Win64 and Linux aren't as "mainstream" as Win32 and OS X, but the whole point of the web is to make material available in a format that can be used on nearly any platform with a wide variety of client software. I'm presently using the Lynx browser (really) on 64-bit Solaris, and F-T (and pretty much any well-designed web site) is entirely usable.

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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 12-04-2007 12:37 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Pffft. We've tried that before... looooong ago. I still have builds of this website on my computer that I made from Flash.

I'm not suggesting the entire F-T site be made in Flash. Most web sites that use Flash at all use SWF files composed within a regular HTML-based layout.

quote: Scott Norwood
Flash pretty much sucks. It defeats the purpose of the web by not working on all platforms and with all browsers, is difficult to index and search, and is proprietary to Macromedia/Adobe.

This is one reason why I mentioned SVG. Despite its Postscript origins and Adobe's involvement SVG is an open source format with XML-based code.

Entertainment and leisure are driving purposes for the Internet. Because of that, technologies like Flash will be here to stay -at least until something even better comes along. Flash is supported on the vast majority of computers in use. Systems where Flash doesn't provide good support are very proprietary themselves.

quote: Joe Redifer
Bitmapped graphics load quickly, look less retarded and the site is much zippier and more easily updatable as a result.

When it comes to logos, graphics and type nothing beats vector artwork on both file size efficiency and image quality -especially when the graphics are increased in size. Vector graphics are scalable and resolution independent, unlike a raster-based image in GIF or JPEG.

As to what looks retarded, I feel that type and graphics that have been eaten up with Photoshop filters often look very cheesy. Let's distort the type and throw in a lens flare while we're at it so we can get an even more cheesy, amateur-hour look!

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