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Topic: Senator Theatre is playing Fiddler on the Roof in IB and 4-track
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Frank Angel
Film God
Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 12-07-2007 05:22 AM
Is that a collector's print? UA sure didn't have a 4trk IBTech print when I was offering them my first born AND the wife -- all I got was a cut mono optical. And at 60/40 too. Ripped me off but good. I just love it when people come out of the theatre insisting there were parts of songs missing. I run and hide but my associate stands there and takes it....appologizing and refuned money to those who made a pressing point of coming and finding us.
By the third show we had signs up that the print that was being shown was edited BY THE DISTRIBUTOR and was beyond our control. We made sure the sign was pointed out to everyone before they bought a ticket.
In the revival business, your audience 9 out of 10 have already seen the film, some of them MANY times and know it inside and out. In the case of a musical, they know EVERY note....they have the soundtrack album at home. And maybe even the tape or DVD. So they come to your theatre to see it IN THE THEATRE and the BEST version. Cheating them with a cut version is heresy....as far as I am concerned, you might as well be defiling some sacred artifact of their religion or something, or calling a teadybear by a sacred name.
The cut version of CAMELOT was the worst I've ever seen -- whole choruses of songs were cut. An entire chorus and finale of the title song "Camelot" was cut, and right in the middle of a joke, loosing the punch line. The very early sequence where Guenivere first meets Authur and doesn't know that he is the king, he tries to convince her how wonderful living in Camelot will be. Authur sings the first half of the song, pauses and then explains that the leaves just wisk away, "at night...(he pauses)....of course." She laughs and chides him in semi-mocking/semi-disbelief, "Of course." and the full last chorus immediately follows with the two singing a duet. In the cut version, Guenivere never answers "Of course." it just cuts to the end of the scene -- no duet, not end of the song even. It was a horror. At one show, someone in the audience actually screamed out, "OF COURSE" when he realized what Guenivere's line was missing. Also, the entire exposition of how Merilin knows everything before it happens because he is going backwards in time -- he "youthens," is all cut so no one gets to understand the whole subplot....unless they remember it from the last time they saw the full version. Luckily we were able get a 4trk full version from WB after two years of my persistant hounding everyone I could ever get on the phone; one old timer happened to get my call by accident and knew where there was a studio print in a closet somewhere that was not in the inventory. Another three months to convince them to give it to us. The 4trk mag sounded spectacular, especially the bombastic lead up to the intermission. It gave me goose bumps every single time it came around (I ran every show). I'd be surprised if that 4trk mag print hasn't been shreaded.
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Michael Coate
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1904
From: Los Angeles, California
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 12-10-2007 06:01 AM
I was at the evening show on Sunday. Surprisingly, considering I generally dislike musicals, I enjoyed the film. (I had never seen the film before in its entirety or in a theater.)
Despite the great reputation the SENATOR has, I'd give the presentation a "C" due to poor sound during the first half an hour or so, as well as showmanship faux pas such as not closing the curtains and projecting the "tails" during the end of the first act following the Intermission title as well as at the end of the feature. And despite what the projectionist said to me after I inquired (i.e. complained), it sounded as though the (mono) optical track was what we heard during Reel 1 and half of Reel 2.
Overall, I enjoyed the film and am glad I went, especially considering how rare such presentations (roadshow length, IB Technicolor, 4-track mag) are these days.
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