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Topic: Film Priates and 670-million dollars
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Randy Stankey
Film God
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-02-2008 04:48 PM
I'll see your measly 670 million dollars and raise you 4.6 TRILLION dollars that stimulated the economy due to fair use of copyrighted media.
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Fair Use Economy Represents One-Sixth of U.S. GDP
File Under: News, 2007, Copyright, CCIA
Sep 12, 2007
WASHINGTON D.C. - Fair Use exceptions to U.S. copyright laws are responsible for more than $4.5 trillion in annual revenue for the United States, according to the findings of an unprecedented economic study released today. According to the study commissioned by the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA) and conducted in accordance with a World Intellectual Property Organization methodology, companies benefiting from limitations on copyright-holders’ exclusive rights, such as “fair use” – generate substantial revenue, employ millions of workers, and, in 2006, represented one-sixth of total U.S. GDP.
[ 04-02-2008, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Adam Martin ]
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-02-2008 07:32 PM
There's a lot of Carmike locations equipped with digital projection whose ticket prices are at or under $6.50. Some have prices as low as $4. Of course, these locations are often in smaller cities and towns, but they do exist. Here in Lawton the price is $6.25 for matinées and $8.50 in the evening.
As for the audio/video compression quality, the JPEG-2000 format for "D-cinema" is definitely superior to anything available to consumers on home video, including the Blu-ray format. But that doesn't address the factor of how well the projector is set up or, worse, how the sound system is maintained.
The AVC and VC-1 formats allow for lots of harmful techniques on compressing video. No limit on how much a video image can be tiled and transformed. No limits on inter-frame compression either.
DCI-compliant Motion JPEG 2000 files for D-cinema do not allow interframe compression at all (and it isn't even possible for JPEG2000 anyway since each frame is a fully separate, discrete image). Of course, the file sizes for D-cinema movies are typically much larger than what is stored on a Blu-ray disc.
quote: John Fithian
According to numbers from a study commissioned by the MPAA, we would have sold an additional 100 million tickets last year but for piracy.
What a crock of shit.
What makes this guy believe the downloaders out there would bother to go to a theater and pay to watch a movie (much less even bother to rent it from a video store) if the pirated version wasn't available?
For one thing, viewers of pirated content are watching crap they probably wouldn't normally watch if it wasn't freely, conveniently available right on their computer.
Fithian should do a Hans Gruber impersonation when citing that fictional $670 million figure. It sounds like something from a Die Hard installment.
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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today
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From: Denver, Colorado
Registered: May 99
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posted 04-02-2008 08:32 PM
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The problem with DVD's sales is the same as any other criminal activity there is no income tax or sales tax paid on it. That is where the real theft takes place, we lose the government income and therefore we pay more in those taxes because others do not pay their fair share!
So... if all piracy was eliminated, we'd all pay lower taxes? Right. Since murder is also a criminal activity, should it be taxed?
Sure, some downloads look like ass, but lots of them come from people in the industry with screener DVDs. Nothing wrong with the sound and picture. Even though the sound is limited to stereo when watching on the computer, it is usually still better than the poorly equipped and maintained audio at 99% of theaters these days. And even though the picture is small and you sometimes have to see text at the bottom of the screen saying "OMG pleez don't copy dis, this be 4 private use only" or some such nonsense, at least the picture is evenly lit side to side, top to bottom and corner to corner. Oh, no dirt or scratches, either. I couldn't give two shits about watching a movie with an audience. They distract me more than enhance the moviegoing experience. There have been links from this very website to high quality bootlegs before a movie's release (not from me). I assume you missed that post.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 04-02-2008 10:59 PM
quote: Ron Funderburg
Bobby they attach a $$ figure to it so that everyone understand that someone is hurt by it. You can't be against something because it is wrong someone must be harmed and pretty seriously for anyone to care anymore. 670 million is pretty serious don't you think?
I don't condone movie piracy.
I think the problem of Internet downloading pirated movies is a negligible problem. I even think the MPAA could be padding that $670 million claim.
Let's also not forget the MPAA is doing next to nothing at all to control proliferation of screener DVDs. That's the biggest "hole" in the entire situation. It leads to mass produced pirated DVDs overseas, which is the biggest money making product for movie piracy. It isn't from people downloading or videotaping a screen.
The vast majority of the general public doesn't know how to download pirated movies. They don't know where to find such content. They don't know how to reconstruct all the downloaded pieces in a multi-part file and put it together so they can watch it on their computer. Most don't know how to burn it to a DVD either.
There's a lot of people, such as myself, who know how to do that sort of thing, but don't feel like bothering with it. Basically, it's a giant pain in the ass to waste hours of time scavenging for movies. And then it really sucks the poo out of an oily ass to see how shitty the movie looks after all that time spent finding and downloading it. Maybe others feel different. But my time is a little more valuable. It's actually cheaper for me to just go to the theater or video store and watch it legally.
I believe the MPAA really knows all about what I just described. Yet they're choosing to "beat a dead horse" anyway. And that raises some red flags of suspicion.
I think the movie industry is going on and on about this downloading shit because they are constantly pushing to have all sorts of sneaky circuitry built into every movie watching device and then turn that technology against the general public, the vast majority of which is made up of honest customers.
Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray were designed to have infrastructure put into place to potentially turn the device into a "pay per every view" movie player. The combination of new copy protection schemes and LAN/Internet connections make this a distinct possibility. Lots of new cable and satellite DVRs have LAN connections and similar potential.
Circuitry may already be in place within some players to give a movie studio the ability to "brick" your machine if you're playing something illegal. More likely, they'll acquire information about your viewing habits and spam the hell out of you over it. But they really want to slowly progress to a pay per every view business model. They believe it will improve profit margins and greatly improve positive cash flow.
Hollywood really wanted DiVX to succeed back in the 1990s, but got nowhere with it because it was just too obvious what they were pushing. With new Blu-ray players and HD-quality cable/satellite receivers and DVRs such a thing can be accomplished in a much more subtle way.
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