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Geoff Jones
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http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081226_Phila__man_shot_because_family_talked_during_movie.html

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A South Philadelphia man enraged because a father and son were talking during a Christmas showing of The Curious Case of Benjamin Button took care of the situation when he pulled a .380-caliber gun and shot the father, police said.
James Joseph Cialella Jr., 29, of the 1900 block of Hollywood Street is charged with attempted murder, aggravated assault, and weapons violations.

"It's truly frightening when you see something like this evolve into such violence," said police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore.

Police were called to the Riverview Theatre in the 1400 block of Columbus Boulevard about 9:30 p.m. where the gunshot victim, a Philadelphia man who was not identified, told police a man sitting near him told his family to be quiet and threw popcorn at his son.

After exchanging words, Vanore said Cialella allegedly got out of his seat to confront the family when the father got up to protect them. That's when the victim was shot once in the left arm, sending others in the theatre running to safety.

Cialella then sat down to watch the movie. Police arrived a short time later and arrested Cialella and confiscated his weapon, Vanore said.

On Yelp, there are numerous posts complaining about the talking at the theatre. Here's one example:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/united-artist-theatre-riverview-plaza-philadelphia
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Aside from that, this theater is terrible. Nothing ruins your movie going experience faster than jackasses having LOUD conversations, people letting their kids be loud and obnoxious, jackasses checking their text messages during the film.

I'm normally not one to blame companies for stupid things that people do, but for f*ck's sake, the management of the theatre could have sent an usher in to shut people up once and a while. [Frown]

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Eric Hooper
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What, so the "ushers" can get shot too? Do movie theatres even have "ushers" anymore. Never see such a thing at any theatres around here.

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Geoff Jones
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You're probably right. Probably best for those of us who care to just stay home and wait for the DVD.

I shushed, and occasionally threw out, talkers when I worked at a theatre in Memphis as a teenager. But that was 20 years ago.

[Frown]

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Mike Blakesley
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We "shush" talkers and cell-phoners here and have escorted a number of them out over the years. So now all it takes is a walk down the aisles once in a while and everyone is generally well-behaved.

The solution of course is go to another theatre that enforces the rules; and if that's not possible, then complain to the management about the jackasses and KEEP COMPLAINING until something is done, going to the top of the heirarchy if necessary.

Once the jackasses find out that bad behavior will not be tolerated, they will stop. Why turn your business over to idiots?

If the complaints and etc. don't get any action and the theatre eventually goes out of business, they deserve what they get.

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Monte L Fullmer
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I know of one "indie" single screen cinema who has a devil of a time to control the patrons on celphone usage..and it comes from the owner who wants to be friends with all the patrons instead of showing the patrons that this is a place of business, not a gang/hangout place.

Guess you can say - the atmosphere of chaos exist there.

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Frank Angel
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Mike's got it right. Lay it right at the feet of incompetent management who won't make it a priority to patrol the auditoria regularly and make it known that any behavior which disturbs other patrons will result in a door slamming behind that perp's sorry ass. Post it on signs, print it on your tickets, and then enforce it. It won't take very long before people will get tired of being thrown out on their butts every time they start acting disruptively.

Here you have a theatre that evidently has already gotten a reputation for being one crappy place to see a movie, and precisely because of patrons' rude behavior. So along with a patron getting shot in the arm, the theatre is shooting itself in the foot by bad management. They think they are saving money by not hiring enough ushers and assistant managers and even security guards whose primary function is to deal with rowdy idiots. When in fact, by NOT enforcing policy, they are destroying their customer base.

Just look at all the comments on that review page -- people who the theatre has already lost as patrons, all telling other potential patrons in no uncertain terms to avoid that theatre like the plague. Obviously people hate the place, and rightfully so. The one major reason that people give when asked why they have developed an "I'll wait till it comes out on DVD" attitude, just like Geoff said, is precisely because of ill-behaved patrons in a theatre that tolerates it.

And sorry to say, Eric, but being afraid to enforce basic policy rules because someone might get shot, that's not the answer. That means you're paralyzed and just throwing up your hands letting the inmates run the asylum. By that measure, you would let people have anything they want from the concessions for free for fear that your servers might get shot. If you don't draw the line in the sand someplace, you wind up with a theatre like this theatre in question were the locals all know it's a terrible place to go and admonish everyone to stay away. How long do you think they can generate enough business to keep the doors opened if they continue to let patrons rule the place and drive others away?

Theatres too cheap to hire proper security deserve to have the place turn into whatever lawless hell hole the patrons turn it into. It's gross mis-management, pure and simple.

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Mark J. Marshall
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We had some idiots talking and laughing at the end of Marley & Me the other day. Very frustrating. I wished I had had one of Frank's water guns with ink in it. [Mad]

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Jim Cassedy
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I wish they'd start shooting people who text message during the show. Very distracting!

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Eric Hooper
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I remember seeing Legal Eagles in 1986(?) at the Dublin Cinema in Dublin, CA. At the time, it was a small town with two small town theatres. In the lobby stood a armed county sherrif patrol just there to "keep the peace". How come I don't see this at theatres today?

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Martin McCaffery
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Biggest offenders in my theatre?

Little Old Broads. They've lost a good deal of their hearing, won't admit it, and are constantly asking each other what is going on. Annoying as hell. I have to say, even though she's nowhere near my theatre, my mother is one of the worst offenders. I usually have to shush her several times a movie.

It constantly surprises me that that people of every age seem to think their conversations can't be heard by other people. They aren't trying to be rude, they just don't get it. I blame a good bit of this on cell phones as people seem to think they've entered a cone of silence whenever they take a call in public.

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James Westbrook
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And just like in Get Smart, that Cone of Silence never worked.

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Martin McCaffery
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Maybe if they kept their phones in their shoes it would be less of a problem;>

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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The company I work for have introduced this:

http://www.myvue.com/over18s/

Our guests pay extra for the over 18 screening, and in return we usher it and kick anyone out who makes a disturbance.

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Mark J. Marshall
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That sounds like an excellent idea. How are the customers responding to it?

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Chad Souder
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Well according to Sharon it's a wonderful idea...

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