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Author Topic: Wizard of Oz HD Event question Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 09-09-2009 02:06 PM                  OK, so I think I already know the answer to this. Can someone please confirm whether the highly-touted "Wizard of Oz HD Event" on September 23 is going to be shown on an actual digital cinema projector or just the pre-show projector like most Fathom events? Thanks.  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-10-2009 01:04 AM                     Depends on the theatre. Most Fathom affiliates will play it off the DCN client projector. Our theatre does not subscribe to NCMs advertising arm, and has no DCN client projector. When we hold fathom events, we run it into a Barco ACS-2048 and then into our d-cinema projector. Having worked with the standard DCN set up, I can assure you that finding a theatre with a d-cinema projector will be worth your time. Unfortunately, we will not be running this event. But we did run Wizard of Oz in full height 1.33 35mm changeover last year.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 09-10-2009 01:16 PM                     Uh oh, they're getting to you Mike! You used an unnecessary word "changeover" in your description as if that somehow means a better end presentation to the viewer.  |  IP: Logged Galen Murphy-Fahlgren Master Film Handler Posts: 405 From: Canton, MI, USA Registered: Oct 2007 posted 09-10-2009 01:58 PM                     Brad, I like to see a changeover show now and again. I like to see if I can even tell that they're running changeovers. So far, the answer has been 'no', but it does increase my enjoyment. Joe, do you know if NCM's stream is even 2k? My old theater used a 1.2k DLP for Fathom events that was better and brighter than the standard preshow DLPs in the rest of the auditoriums. Now, that DLP did do the preshow in that auditorium, but it was better than the standard preshow unit, though not as good as a real 2k DCinema projector.  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-10-2009 07:26 PM                     NCM has instructed us to use 1080i on our satellite receiver, so we can assume it is at least that high. Our DP100 is not HDCP compliant, so I don't know if they're coming in at 1080p. Brad, you and I both know that the changeover/platter argument is bullshit, however, as a changeover booth, the studio provides us access to higher quality prints. Therefore the inclusion of the word "changeover" in my description is still relevant.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 09-11-2009 09:55 AM                     > NCM has instructed us to use 1080i on our satellite receiver So it does not matter what the resolution of the theatre's projector, all you are getting is consumer quality HD. Since I can wait one more week and buy the Blu-Ray, I can't "fathom" why anyone would pay money to see this in a theatre. All puns aside, this is not good for the exhibition industry. The public does not know or care about the difference between 2/4K D-Cinema and consumer grade digital HDTV. What they come away with is that digital can look quite mediocre on the big screen, and theatres show the same quality as Blu-Ray at home. Actually, watching it at home, I can watch it in 1080p!  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-11-2009 11:00 AM                     quote: Mitchell Dvoskin So it does not matter what the resolution of the theatre's projector, all you are getting is consumer quality HD. Wasn't the first clue that it was only consumer-quality HD the fact that the event has been advertised as being "in HD"? That was my thought, which is also why I didn't give a crap (considering I've seen most of it in better than HD from the re-release a while back).  |  IP: Logged Dylan Houdeshell Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Caslte Rock, Colorado Registered: Aug 2009 posted 09-15-2009 12:01 AM                     The way it will be done here is it will be played off of our pre-show projector. Our projector, of course, plays in HD. Usually non-live events will come on automatically just like the pre show will (if you have NCM doing your pre-show adds).  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 09-17-2009 09:56 AM                    People just attach "HD" to things to make people want to buy them. I saw a commercial for HD sun glasees on TV the other day for $15.00.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 09-18-2009 10:14 PM                        If I went to a theatre for this and it played on the crappy advertising projector, I would be SCREAMING at the manager and demanding my money back. I would be really pissed. The fastest way to quickly destroy the special events business is to present them in a crappy manner. I don't care when the ads are on if it looks like it's through a screen door with bad resolution, dimmed contrast and bad color, but I definitely wouldn't want to see any movie that way. I went to see Inglorius Basterds (on 35mm film) last night, but during the preshow, there was something wrong with the ad projector and it was generating these weird red lines in dark areas. They played a trailer for the Wizard of Oz and it looked really bad, but I just assumed it looked that way because it was coming off of the ad projector. The film has been playing for several weeks, but I have to say that the print looked really, really good. Especially in many close-ups, skin tones were perfect and extremely sharp. No dust and no scratches. There was one bad lab splice. But generally, film done right and all that.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 09-21-2009 04:24 PM                     Bump.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 09-21-2009 04:27 PM                        Crap! Sorry about that other thread I started. So if NCM were to be completely truthful, they would advertise something like: "First time Wizard of Oz has been down-rez'd from film quality to home HDTV quality, and we're charging more for it!"  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 09-21-2009 04:45 PM                     I think our local Cinemark runs these Fathom events on a barely HD LCD projector. Selznick is spinning in his grave right now. I hope this event proves disastrous, as legions of fans will go and witness how bad is in this capacity. If it was 2k, I'd probably go. AJG  |  IP: Logged Warren Dewey Film Handler Posts: 28 From: monterey ca usa Registered: Jan 2006 posted 09-21-2009 04:51 PM                        We ran WB's IB Tech OZ (1.33, and um, er uh, changeover) back in July and were told it was being pulled after that date. So this is why. I wonder if that 35mm print will be back in circulation anytime soon.  |  IP: Logged Geoff Jones Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 579 From: Broomfield, CO, USA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 09-21-2009 10:05 PM                        I would pay $10/ticket to take my daughter to see The Wizard of Oz in 35mm. I wouldn't watch this fathom crap for free.  |  IP: Logged

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