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Author Topic: Windows 7 Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 11-07-2009 04:24 PM                     Has anyone here upgraded yet. I have a friend whose Vista laptop sucks so badly he is thinking of upgrading to 7 or downgrading to XP. I was checking out the video on the Home Group feature which is their new way of home networking. One thing that I suspect is that it will only interwork with Windows 7 machines. Those on XP or Vista will be unable to be part of the workgroup. Am I on target with this? If so, my friend's best bet would be to load XP.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-07-2009 04:44 PM                     I usually migrate to a new version of Windows only when buying a new desktop or notebook computer. The last time I did a true OS upgrade was moving from Win 3.11 to Win95. Usually the only thing that happens when upgrading an OS is you make the existing computer even slower. New operating systems almost always have higher system requirements than their predecessor. OTOH, I've heard Windows 7 actually has lower system requirements than Vista. So it may be an exception. Nevertheless, a lot of people choosing to upgrade to Windows 7 are having to spend a hell of a lot of time doing the upgrade process. From what I've heard the upgrade isn't easy to install, which just reinforces the notion that its best to just move to Win7 when buying a new computer. We may start upgrading certain computers at my workplace to run the 64-bit version of Win 7 Pro. Right now we're running 32-bit versions of Win XP Pro SP3. The 4GB RAM limit turns into an issue if you're designing things like vehicle wrap graphics. For a full wrap, you'll have at least 5 Photoshop files, each of which can be well over 1GB-2GB or more in size. A 64-bit system can accommodate more RAM and would open and manipulate giant sized Photoshop files faster. I'll probably wait a little longer to replace my old Dell Inspiron 6000. Notebook RAM is much more expensive than RAM for desktops. I want my next notebook to have at least 8GB or more of RAM. Hopefully Adobe Creative Suite 5 will have all of its applications compiled for 64-bit operation. Right now the PC version of Photoshop CS4 is the only true 64-bit Adobe application. quote: Rick Raskin One thing that I suspect is that it will only interwork with Windows 7 machines. Those on XP or Vista will be unable to be part of the workgroup. Am I on target with this? I haven't heard about that limitation. However, the "home" version of Windows XP and (I think) the "home" version of Vista are limited to seeing no more than 4 computers on a network. I wouldn't be surprised to see Windows 7 carrying on that silly tradition. We have around 15 computers on the network at my workplace. They're all running XP Pro. One system was mistakenly ordered with "home" on it and couldn't log into the network as a result; it had to be sent back and have XP Pro installed.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-07-2009 05:20 PM                     quote: Bobby Henderson From what I've heard the upgrade isn't easy to install I found it no harder than installing any other piece of software. And yes it does run on lower-spec computers than Vista. Heck, I know someone who put the beta and RC on an old celeron for shits and giggles... and it ran perfectly fine minus it not doing well on cpu-intensive multimedia (which was to be expected and not really a problem with win7).  |  IP: Logged Sam Graham AKA: "The Evil Sam Graham". Wackiness ensues. Posts: 1431 From: Waukee, IA Registered: Dec 2004 posted 11-08-2009 09:27 AM                        The one guy I know who's installed it had no problems. Everything but an HP driver went smoothly, and even that wasn't a big deal.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-08-2009 11:04 AM                        I've upgraded my home system from Vista x64 to Win7 x64, and I did a clean install, not an inplace upgrade. No problems whatsoever except that the upgrade version of W7 expected Vista to be already there. W7 would not accept my activation key. I called MS and they walked me through getting W7 to do a clean install. It was very obvious that their support people were under orders to make the customer happy and not rush through with an incomplete solution. On the work side, we have now moved 11 users from XP x86 to W7 x64. We've evaluated all our 32-bit apps and tools etc. under W7 x64 and found no showstopper problems. The one "major" problem we've had is with our corporate antivirus system making incorrect changes to the W7 firewall. That is still being worked on but it appears to be the antivirus that's at fault, not W7. You can't do an inplace upgrade from XP to W7. That's probably the most painful part. However, it's to your major advantage NOT to do that anyway. Why the hell would you want to bring along years of old baggage to your shiny new W7 system? As far as I can tell, W7 is all good. I have nothing bad to say about it (well except maybe that you have to pay for it).  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-08-2009 07:16 PM                        Actually I forgot that I did run into a couple apps that wouldn't install and/or run on W7 x64. OpenSSH was one; also Microsoft Exchange 2003 Administrator. Those issues motivated me to install Virtual XP (free from MS). Both those apps work fine in Virtual XP Mode. You can flip back and forth between W7 and XP, works great. Note that your hardware has to support virtualization for Virtual XP to work, and virtualization has to be enabled in the mobo BIOS settings (I've found it's typically disabled by default, at least on the machines where I work). Also, the Virtual XP environment needs its own antivirus etc. Also also, there are USB "issues" on virtual machines, apparently inherent limitations to USB's design and implementation. We're using Microsoft's image deployment tools for the W7 rollout, which are new to me: WAIK, SIAM, Sysprep, ImageX, etc. They require some effort to figure out but they work great.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-08-2009 08:28 PM                     My standard procedure with all Microsoft products is to wait for Service Pack 1. I'll wait until then.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 11-08-2009 08:33 PM                        Shit, what's the time limit now for editing our posts? I meant "DISM", not "SIAM". Guess my fingers were out to lunch. Mark, W7 may be the one time when you don't need to wait for SP1 of a MS product. It really is that stable and polished.  |  IP: Logged Paul J. Neuhaus Expert Film Handler Posts: 126 From: Iraq.. Again! Registered: Jun 2005 posted 11-09-2009 11:52 AM                     Ran the Beta and crashed it a few dozen times but had a blast doing it. I have been running the RC since it came out. A few problems but this thing blows Vista out of the water. It is a streamlined GUI that has some nice features. I especialy like what they have done with the task bar. And UAC is completely customizable now it's not just totaly annoying and off like it was in Vista. A couple gripes: MCSFT was supposed to launch a new file system (WINFS) with Vista and never did. Then they were supposed to launch it with 7 and never did. NTFS is fine but there was supposed to be even better file security features for Active Directory built into WINFS. -next gripe libraries from what I can tell are a waste. I can't see what is so impressive with having a folder that shows basicly a search for say documents. If your not smart enough to put your documents in a file that you know where it is you'd have to search for it. And libraries only list files from folders that you have told windows to include. Not a real feature. -next Homegroup: This is WIN 7's answer to workgroups. It only works with win 7 pc's. i.e. all members must have win 7 you set up the homegroup on one pc and then it gives you a cryptic password that you can't chose yourself to put into all the other pc's on the homegroup. And the final answer...not any more exciting then a workgroup. This is miles better then Vista and it is ready out of the gate unlike Vista was. If you are running Vista UPGRADE!! You'll be glad you did. If you are running XP there is no reason to change.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-09-2009 12:20 PM                     Btw, winfs was scrapped a couple years ago at least.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-09-2009 12:22 PM                    quote: Paul J. Neuhaus If you are running XP there is no reason to change. Most helpful review I have read to date. Thank you.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-09-2009 01:08 PM                        Yes, that's what I was waiting to hear too. I am in charge of some 8 or 9 computers all running XP so it's nice to be on the same page with all of them. On the lighter side, here's an appropriate Dave Letterman Top Ten List. “Top Ten Surprising Features In Windows 7” 10. Includes preview of Windows 8, coming this spring 9. Transforms any laptop into a Hyundai 8. It crashes 30% faster than Windows XP 7. Paper clip guy has a sexy new staple girlfriend 6. Unexpected shut-downs now include a laugh track 5. Ctl-Alt-M = Vibrating mouse 4. Comes with faulty Joe Biden plug-ins 3. If a pop-up lasts longer than 4 hours, it automatically calls a technician 2. Company logo changed from colored windowpanes to crossed fingers 1. When the "Sarah Palin" mode is selected, it quits halfway through the project  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-09-2009 03:42 PM                        MS is already working on both Windows 8 and Windows 9. That being said, they must be deliberately leaving stuff out of Windows 8 if they are already working on part 9. They probably deliberately left stuff out of 7 as well. And this most certainly isn't the 7th incarnation of Windows.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 퍼항시, 경상푹도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 11-09-2009 04:03 PM                     It's the versioning based on its Windows NT beginnings. Win 2K was NT version 5; Win XP was 5.1; Vista is 6.0; and now we have win7. Stupid, nonetheless. Even more stupid is that win7's internal version number is 6.1. I think it's that quite a lot of third-party stuff relied on the major number not changing (and since they wanted to be able to upgrade in-place easily).  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 11-09-2009 04:20 PM                     If MicroHard want to give me a free Windblows 7 upgrade, I'll do it. If they won't, they can get ed. And if what Joe says is true, that they are already working on 8 & 9, then what does that say about the 7? Are MicroHard already admitting that 7 is shit too? And have you noticed that the time frame between versions is shrinking? Sorry guys, but the "wiggling mouse to sort the desktop" feature sounds like a whole lot of productivity-sapping useless gimmickry to me. Vista was supposed to be the be-all and end-all of operating systems. What a laughable joke. This must be the only industry where a company can sell , then admit the fact, and CHARGE customers to get a newer, supposedly better version of And this applies to the Appeal Mac as well. When will these designers of this stuff realise that the amount of bloatware they shove into an OS does NOT make it any better? To get the same job jone in Vista compared to XP takes many seconds longer AND takes more system resources. Yippee, thats a benefit. Now, does this sound like the current state of play in the Digital Cinema Projector market? One day consumers will wake up and realise that all that is new is not gold.  |  IP: Logged

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