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Author Topic: Shakiness rating? Thomas Pitt Master Film Handler Posts: 266 From: Leeds, West Yorkshire, UK Registered: May 2007 posted 03-25-2010 04:01 AM                     Not really sure where this topic should go; putting it in Yak for now but feel free to move it. How about, on either the 'film handler reviews' or the 'feature info' forum, the poster places a kind of shaky-cam rating out of 10? 1 would be all static shots or smooth pans, whereas 10 would be something like Cloverfield. The rating should be based on the average amount and severity of shaky-cam throughout the entire movie; i.e. a movie with a quick, violent shaky scene at the end would score lower than a movie with medium shakiness all the way through. Myself, I can't really handle anything with a shakiness rating more than 6/10 Just a few examples from my personal experience: Alice in Wonderland (2010) - 3/10 District 9 - 8/10 12 Rounds - 9/10 Angels & Demons - 5/10 Avatar - 4/10  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-25-2010 04:46 AM                     I'm just guessing, but you've not seen The Hurt Locker yet, right?  |  IP: Logged Richard P. May Expert Film Handler Posts: 243 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jan 2006 posted 03-25-2010 09:41 AM                     An excellent suggestion. Such a thing also should be required of reviewers in the general media. Today's Los Angeles Times had a small article by Kenneth Turan commenting on the fact that audiences haven't flocked to GREEN ZONE. This one is so shaky that even the trailer makes it incoherent! I wonder how much that had to do with the audience turnoff, in addition to the fact no Iraq war film had done much business.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 03-25-2010 08:03 PM                        I'm guessing there must be something biological about this, eh? I've never been bothered by anything that's often called "shakey cam" - and I'm certainly not just saying that to be difficult or buck the trend. It simply doesn't bother me either by a) making me nauseous, or b) rendering the plot incomprehensible (assuming the plot was comprehensible to begin with).  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-25-2010 11:49 PM                        Jeremy, it is just annoying. Basically it is done on purpose, professional cinematographers wanting to look amateur to give the movie a "realistic" feel because as we all know, realism is shaky. But even amateurs aren't that bad, they waaaay overdo it.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-25-2010 11:54 PM                        Hey, the solution is simple. We've been repeatedly told that when a movie is projected with digital projection, that image is ROCK STEADY -- none of that jitter that ruins all film projection. Problem solved.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-26-2010 12:56 AM                        Sorry Frank, you've got it backwards. It seems even MORE shaky with digital projection simply because it is so rock steady. With a film projector, the naturally unsteady image counters the on-film shakiness, making it seem much steadier as a result. With unreasonable films like the Bourne series where even a table full of suits having a meeting looks like an earthquake, you can ride the framing knob up and down a bit to compensate even more. Having loosey-goosey lateral guide rollers can help as well. The result is a rock-steady picture when projecting shaky-cam movies on film and a horribly shaky image on DLP or TV.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 03-26-2010 01:10 AM                        quote: Joe Redifer Jeremy, it is just annoying. Basically it is done on purpose Oh, I didn't mean to infer that I didn't notice it, or understand the aesthetic choices for using it ... I'm just saying that it doesn't annoy/bother me ... or make me sick, or make the scene incomprehensible, or any of the other complaints I've read about it.  |  IP: Logged Joe Elliott Master Film Handler Posts: 497 From: Port Orange, Fl USA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 03-26-2010 09:13 PM                     But it keeps all the old cinematographers with Parkinson's employed!!!  |  IP: Logged Michael Voiland Expert Film Handler Posts: 219 From: Naperville, IL US Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-26-2010 11:18 PM                     pro 35 shakiness rating of 11.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 03-27-2010 06:32 AM                        The rating is a good idea! btw: I wonder how many seizures it causes in high quality, large screen applications? Louis  |  IP: Logged

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