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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 04-15-2010 01:13 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was just looking at a Hollywood Reporter article which had another interesting quote from Jeffrey Katzenberg:

quote:
Katzenberg predicted that in a 10- to 15-year timeframe, there could be glasses-free stereo viewing in movie theaters and on billboards. In the short term, he anticipates seeing glasses free -- or autostereo -- displays for a suite of handheld devices at the 2011 Consumer Electronics Show; and in five to seven years, small- and medium-sized autostereo 3D monitors.
I'm just wondering how it would, or could, work? If 3-D requires the two eyes to see different images, how can that happen when there are multiple pairs of eyes, from different angles, looking at the same image?

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Todd McCracken
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 - posted 04-15-2010 01:47 PM      Profile for Todd McCracken     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/3ds-how-nintendo-can-do-3d-without-glasses/a-2010032410409632013

This is an OK article on it.

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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 04-15-2010 07:14 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course, there have been TONS of glasses-free 3D systems throughout the years.

Some even used in extensive commercial theatrical movie engagements. There were theaters in Russia that regularly showed glasses-free stereoscopic 3D films during the 60's-80's using the barrier screen developed by their Cinema and Photo Research Institute (NIKFI).

But the short answer is: for STEREOSCOPIC (as oppossed to multiscopic or wavefront reconstructions, like holography) it can't be done.

The medium answer is: it can be done, but with restrictions and sucky results.

The longer answer is: it can be done OK if only one person is looking at the "screen", but with restrictions (or suckiness or both) if shown to more than one person at the time.

This is for PHYSICS reasons. Since nature's laws can't be easily and cheaply broken, if ever at all, the hurdles have not been overcame in 100 years of 3D image research and they are not expected to.

You can do DIFFERENT, usually much more expensive and convoluted ways to obtains a result that would be a "very good full-color moving image of quality similar to current 2D display systems" but in 3D and to a large audience. But it will not be a matter of simply shooting a movie with two cameras and combining two images in a "simple screen". At all.

Think about it. If you don't have anything in front of your eyes to filter out the light coming to them from the "wrong image" ... how are you going to direct light through space so that, no matter where your head is in space, only the "right light" will hit the right eye and not the left one for a large audience?

It's just not physically possible. Unless you fill the room with all possible images from all possible eye possitions in the room. That would mean, i.e., using say 800 cameras to shoot the movie (and 800 projectors, etc).

Now, if you carefully build a theater with a (highly) engineered screen using the usual methods (lenticular or equivalent holographic filters, barrier, prisms, directional lights, etc) and place the seats strategically in key possitions (no more sitting right next to your date) and ask people sitting there not to move their heads much, I guess you could get away with 4-5 cameras and 4-5 projectors, which is feasible and not too expensive nowadays.

Otherwise, refer to the short answer. It can't be done. Don't expect it anytime soon (with good results, on a "reasonably cheap way" and for a large audience).

On a handheld device and for a small audience it can be done, of course. Many here, myself included, have shot plenty of 3D photography with 3 or 4 lenses cameras during the 80's and used a lenticular screen to have glasses-free 3D photographs. And plenty of glasses free monitors have been marketed, one of the latest ones being the Philips Wow (recently pulled from the market) or the Newsight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTfFMGk58c
http://www.newsight.com/3d-products/displays/mv-42ad3.html

Even sterographics, the company that eventually sold out to become RealD, had autostereoscopic monitors for a while

http://www.inition.co.uk/inition/product.php?URL_=product_stereovis_stereographics_synthagram&SubCatID_=50

But again: with restrictions on viewing zones, sucky results (fake depth restored from 2D depth map), restricted mostly to CGI content (for better results), etc.

More of a gimmick that anything else that works OK for a small audience, with restrictions, with imperfect results and with carefully (and more costly) specifically created content (i.e. CGI and multicam shoots).

Here is an incomplete list of glasses-free 3D monitors that have come (and most of them gone) in the past:

http://www.stereo3d.com/displays.htm#auto

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