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Topic: New York plans to ban sugared drinks over 16 oz.
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Mike Blakesley
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posted 05-31-2012 06:34 PM
In an incredible display of idiocy, even for New York:
New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM Published: May 30, 2012
New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity.
The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March.
The measure would not apply to diet sodas, fruit juices, dairy-based drinks like milkshakes, or alcoholic beverages; it would not extend to beverages sold in grocery or convenience stores.
“Obesity is a nationwide problem, and all over the United States, public health officials are wringing their hands saying, ‘Oh, this is terrible,’ ” Mr. Bloomberg said in an interview on Wednesday in the Governor’s Room at City Hall.
“New York City is not about wringing your hands; it’s about doing something,” he said. “I think that’s what the public wants the mayor to do.”
A spokesman for the New York City Beverage Association, an arm of the soda industry’s national trade group, criticized the city’s proposal on Wednesday. The industry has clashed repeatedly with the city’s health department, saying it has unfairly singled out soda; industry groups have bought subway advertisements promoting their cause.
“The New York City health department’s unhealthy obsession with attacking soft drinks is again pushing them over the top,” the industry spokesman, Stefan Friedman, said. “It’s time for serious health professionals to move on and seek solutions that are going to actually curb obesity. These zealous proposals just distract from the hard work that needs to be done on this front.”
Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal requires the approval of the Board of Health, a step that is considered likely because the members are all appointed by him, and the board’s chairman is the city’s health commissioner, who joined the mayor in supporting the measure on Wednesday.
Mr. Bloomberg has made public health one of the top priorities of his lengthy tenure, and has championed a series of aggressive regulations, including bans on smoking in restaurants and parks, a prohibition against artificial trans fat in restaurant food and a requirement for health inspection grades to be posted in restaurant windows.
The measures have led to occasional derision of the mayor as Nanny Bloomberg, by those who view the restrictions as infringements on personal freedom. But many of the measures adopted in New York have become models for other cities, including restrictions on smoking and trans fats, as well as the use of graphic advertising to combat smoking and soda consumption, and the demand that chain restaurants post calorie contents next to prices.
In recent years, soda has emerged as a battleground in efforts to counter obesity. Across the nation, some school districts have banned the sale of soda in schools, and some cities have banned the sale of soda in public buildings.
In New York City, where more than half of adults are obese or overweight, Dr. Thomas Farley, the health commissioner, blames sweetened drinks for up to half of the increase in city obesity rates over the last 30 years. About a third of New Yorkers drink one or more sugary drinks a day, according to the city. Dr. Farley said the city had seen higher obesity rates in neighborhoods where soda consumption was more common.
The ban would not apply to drinks with fewer than 25 calories per 8-ounce serving, like zero-calorie Vitamin Waters and unsweetened iced teas, as well as diet sodas.
Restaurants, delis, movie theater and ballpark concessions would be affected, because they are regulated by the health department. Carts on sidewalks and in Central Park would also be included, but not vending machines or newsstands that serve only a smattering of fresh food items.
At fast-food chains, where sodas are often dispersed at self-serve fountains, restaurants would be required to hand out cup sizes of 16 ounces or less, regardless of whether a customer opts for a diet drink. But free refills — and additional drink purchases — would be allowed.
Corner stores and bodegas would be affected if they are defined by the city as “food service establishments.” Those stores can most easily be identified by the health department letter grades they are required to display in their windows.
The mayor, who said he occasionally drank a diet soda “on a hot day,” contested the idea that the plan would limit consumers’ choices, saying the option to buy more soda would always be available.
“Your argument, I guess, could be that it’s a little less convenient to have to carry two 16-ounce drinks to your seat in the movie theater rather than one 32 ounce,” Mr. Bloomberg said in a sarcastic tone. “I don’t think you can make the case that we’re taking things away.”
He also said he foresaw no adverse effect on local businesses, and he suggested that restaurants could simply charge more for smaller drinks if their sales were to drop.
The Bloomberg administration had made previous, unsuccessful efforts to make soda consumption less appealing. The mayor supported a state tax on sodas, but the measure died in Albany, and he tried to restrict the use of food stamps to buy sodas, but the idea was rejected by federal regulators.
With the new proposal, City Hall is now trying to see how much it can accomplish without requiring outside approval. Mayoral aides say they are confident that they have the legal authority to restrict soda sales, based on the city’s jurisdiction over local eating establishments, the same oversight that allows for the health department’s letter-grade cleanliness rating system for restaurants.
In interviews at the AMC Loews Village, in the East Village in Manhattan, some filmgoers said restricting large soda sales made sense to them.
“I think it’s a good idea,” said Sara Gochenauer, 21, a personal assistant from the Upper West Side. Soda, she said, “rots your teeth.”
But others said consumers should be free to choose.
“If people want to drink 24 ounces, it’s their decision,” said Zara Atal, 20, a college student from the Upper East Side.
Lawrence Goins, 50, a postal worker who lives in Newark, took a more pragmatic approach.
“Some of those movies are three, three and a half hours long,” Mr. Goins said. “You got to quench your thirst.”
Colin Moynihan contributed reporting.
New York Times article
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Mike Blakesley
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posted 06-01-2012 12:52 AM
The solution to the obesity problem is really pretty simple:
1. Don't eat so much stuff
2. Don't eat in restaurants, because they tend to serve huge portions and fatty foods. And, avoid fast-food places. If you have to eat in a restaurant, divide one meal for two people or just eat the salads. (Parents: If you have fat kids, check your McDonalds frequency...you may find the problem. And while you're at it, get rid of the video games and make them play outside.)
3. Don't snack between meals.
Of course this solution isn't as much fun for the politicians and law-makers, and there's no money in it either, so it'll never gain wide acceptance.
I've always been skinny my whole life, so imagine my surprise a couple of years ago when my doctor told me I needed to lose 10 to 15 pounds. So what did I do? I stopped eating that nightly snack before I went to bed, which I'd gotten into the habit of doing. Pounds: Gone in about 2 weeks. I still drink Pepsi a lot (too much, actually) but I never snack between meals. I'm also not much of a candy eater ... and I never eat theater popcorn, believe it or not.
I realize it's not that simple for some people, but I seriously think that if everybody followed the three points above, the problem would be way less serious.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 06-01-2012 01:01 AM
Firstly, as a sidenote, despite being engaged to an American, having spent quite a lot of time in the US now and my emigrating being a possible outcome (we're still working through which of us is going to make the move after we're married), I'm afraid I betrayed my European routes just now by having to do a fluid ounce to metric conversion before really understanding what the fuss is about. I'll learn eventually, I guess! To save any other European reader the job, 16 fl/oz is 473ml - about midway between the size of a standard fizzy drink (soda) can (330ml) and a pint (568ml).
Agreed totally with Bobby and everyone else: if people want to drink that much soda they'll find a way around any government regulation placed in their path - and usually with the help of the supplier (e.g. unlimited refills). It's the same syndrome whereby the Scottish Government thinks it can deal with the country's perceived alcoholism problem by setting minimum prices for booze. In both cases, unless they're willing to leave the murderers and rapists to get on with it and have the police spend all their time catching people selling Coke by the pint or cheap bottles of vodka, they're not going to be able to stop it; and frankly, I'd much rather they concentrate on catching the murderers and rapists. Exercising and encouraging common sense/personal responsibility in what you eat and drink and how much exercise you get is much more effective, and if people aren't willing to do that voluntarily, any attempt to force them will almost certainly end in failure.
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Leo Enticknap
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posted 06-01-2012 12:24 PM
Good point about the bottles. Whereas the ban wouldn't affect normal sized cans, it would cover the half-litre bottles you see on sale all over the place in both Britain and the US. Interestingly, some of the bottles at least are actually 500ml in the US - the one of mineral water I'm drinking right now says 16.9floz/500ml on it. The normal US cans are 12 floz/355ml. I'm guessing, therefore, that this proposed law is designed deliberately to catch the bottles.
I can't work out from the article posted by Mike whether the proposed ban would just affect drinks sold for consumption on the premises, or sealed bottles to take away as well.
quote: The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be prohibited under the first-in-the-nation plan, which could take effect as soon as next March.
If this isn't just about restauarants/bars/cafes/concession stands etc., but will cover soda sold in supermarkets as well, it'll cause complete chaos, I'd have thought. Either the manufacturers will have to start making 16 floz bottles just for the New York market (and if they do, there will then be the tinsy problem of modiying tens of thousands of vending machines), or simply withdraw the existing bottles from sale. Anyways, the only outcome I can see is more expensive soda and anyone who wants to drink a pint of the stuff at once just buying two cans.
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