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Topic: R.I.P. Joan Rivers
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Leo Enticknap
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From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000
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posted 09-04-2014 11:28 PM
I don't know if this is the case in Montana as well, but my father-in-law is a dentist and from conversations with him I gather that dental anesthesia here is very tightly regulated, for exactly the reasons you give. Dentists have to go through a lot of extra training and assessment to be licensed to administer full-scale anesthesia in their offices, there are retraining and regular inspection requirements, nurses and support staff have to be present during procedures, equipment and drugs have to be of approved types and regularly inspected, etc. etc.; so much so that only a small proportion of the state's dentists are able to offer that service (and those that do charge top dollar, because there is a supply/demand imbalance).
There seems to be no definitive statement on what Joan Rivers was having done when things went wrong. If it was fixing a vocal cord injury, then my comments above were unfair. I still feel, though, that the takeaway from this is that despite the fact that it ends safely in 99.9% of cases, and novels like Coma are essentially scaremongering, general anesthesia remains a fundamentally risky procedure and not something to have done if it isn't absolutely necessary.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-05-2014 12:23 AM
It's a shame Joan Rivers passed away at this time. I was hoping some of this bullshit reality TV tripe would calm down and filter away some of the fake celebrities out there so people like Joan Rivers, who were in their prime long before all this reality TV shit arrived on the scene, would get raised back to another level where they deserved to be.
Rivers' material wasn't for everybody. She was kind of an insult comic, sort of like a female Don Rickles. But Rivers was the best at it. There's all sorts of other female comedians who can throw pointed barbs all over the place and even do it very well. Lisa Lampanelli is one of the best in the business at it. But I think she was influenced at least a little bit by Rivers' material.
Another thing I liked about Rivers: she was just as quick to make fun of herself as anyone else. She didn't hide any secrets about her marital difficulties, cosmetic surgeries and other problems. And that's probably what made her more endearing to the public. Just like with Don Rickles, a celebrity would feel left out if he/she didn't get hit with an insult from her. She made herself just as much fair game as anyone else. And that's how it should be. If you're going to dish it out you better be able to take it.
Some of the media outlets are bringing up the whole Johnny Carson thing, where Joan Rivers went from being permanent substitute teacher for the Tonight Show to having her own show, the very first show on the Fox network. IMHO, Carson was a total dick for how he treated her. What the hell else was she supposed to do? It was obvious David Letterman or Jay Leno were already lined up as possible replacements for Carson as far back as the early 1980's. Rivers knew this. Carson knew Rivers knew this. That's why I think he pulled a total dick move by being an asshole to her when she grabbed her opportunity with Fox. Even if it turned out to be an ill-advised move (the late night show was cancelled after one season). Rivers knew where she stood. The flip shot: no one in late night will ever again have the kind of clout Carson had. Coming full circle, Jimmy Fallon, the current host of the Tonight Show, gave Rivers a fairly moving tribute.
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Steve Matz
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From: Billings, Montana, USA
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 09-05-2014 11:40 AM
Well I know from personal experience with my DAD, what can happen when you have loss of Oxygen to the Brain. It only takes minutes and you can become a Vegetable. If your EEG comes up Flat then you are almost always never going to wakeup unless you have a miracle. Everybody thinks when their taken off the ventilator they Die. Not so;they can go on for years in a vegetative state and basically maintained like a plant.
If my Dad had not been a WW2 veteran,we would have been wiped out financially, He stayed this way for 5 years and 3 months in the Mile City VA Hospitol,never moving,never speaking,and never focusing his eyes on you;so we never knew if he was aware of our presence or not. It is the most horrible expierence you can go through,no communication,just staring at what is essentially a living Corpse. I saw my Mother Age Years in just a few months and I was so devastated having to see this person I loved being this way that I quit going to see him after a year.
They don't just lay there like Sleeping Beauty,it becomes almost unbareable to see a person have to be like that and just exist and you can't do anything about it. I even one time thought about putting a pillow over his face to end his and our Misery;but I couldn't bring myself to do it.Even though his spirit had left this Cacoon of a body he was still my dad whom I loved dearly and it wouldn't have been something I could have lived with in the Future...
Basically to ad insult to injury he finally died at Christmas 5years 3 months later and the Hell was finally over. There are 1000's of people all over the world that are living Vegetables existing in Nursing Homes and special care facilities. Many Families can't take the Stress after a time and the person is left to die by themselves. I hope none of you have to go through what our Family did because your Life won't feel like 2 cents after....
Be careful what you ingest into your Lungs;your life can change dramatically in a heartbeat and it won't be anything that's pleasant...
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Mike Blakesley
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From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 09-05-2014 12:55 PM
In the interest of keeping this thread from degenerating into a depressing discourse on horrible deaths, here is a small collection of Joan Rivers jokes:
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I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw that my bath toys were a toaster and a radio.
I hate thin people: ‘Oh, does the tampon make me look fat?’
People say that money is not the key to happiness, but I always figured if you have enough money, you can have a key made.
I wish I had a twin, so I could know what I’d look like without plastic surgery.
It was a Jewish porno film: one minute of sex and nine minutes of guilt.
I am definitely going to watch the Emmys this year! My makeup team is nominated for ‘Best Special Effects.’
All my mother told me about sex was that the man goes on top and the woman on the bottom. For three years my husband and I slept in bunk beds.
My love life is like a piece of Swiss cheese; most of it’s missing, and what’s there stinks.
The first time I see a jogger smiling, I’ll consider it.
Every woman in this room tonight: Think like a second wife. You grab and you take. You grab and you take. And when you die, whatever you got out of him, you have buried on you. If the next bitch wants it, make her dig for it.
You know you’ve reached middle age when you’re cautioned to slow down by your doctor, instead of by the police.
When a man has a birthday, he takes a day off. When a woman has a birthday, she takes at least three years off.
Half of all marriages end in divorce—and then there are the really unhappy ones.
A study says owning a dog makes you 10 years younger. My first thought was to rescue two more, but I don’t want to go through menopause again.
I have no sex appeal and it has screwed me up for life. Peeping Toms look at my window and pull down the shade. My gynecologist examines me by telephone.
quote: Bobby Henderson
Just like with Don Rickles, a celebrity would feel left out if he/she didn't get hit with an insult from her. She made herself just as much fair game as anyone else. And that's how it should be. If you're going to dish it out you better be able to take it.
Dave Letterman put it well when he was talking about her. He said, "Her biggest target was herself...If she was here right now, she would be making some joke about the fact that she had died."
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