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Carl Welles
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WARNING do not read this post if you want to continue to enjoy CAP coded movies. The answers within will distract from your moviegoing experience for all future coded films.

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Here it is, the proof.

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I took this off of a piece of clear tail leader where the CAP code was still printing before the machine turned off. See the number on the edge of the print? That's the number. Look beside the number at the frame. You will see 4 identically colored dots, three of which are near center in a triangle shape and the last one towards the bottom left corner in this pic. These dots repeat themselves every 11 times and apparently it takes all 11 sample frames to derive a sum of dots to equal the print number. The prints I have looked at repeat the next code every 100 frames. This means the MPAA only needs to manually find one frame on a video transfer with a CAP code and from then on they can simply forward the VCR by 100 film frames to get to the next one. (These figures apparently vary from lab to lab.) I'm not sure how these dots are decoded, but clearly it has to do with the placement of the dots within the frame. Perhaps each frame is divided up into a dozen sections and each section is given a value and then the sum of all 11 codes equals the actual print number, I'm not completely sure but that is definitely how it is being done and it proves the CAP code does indeed exist.

It is interesting to note that only one reel out of an entire feature is coded. There is some sort of laser scribing machine that is placed after the processor, but before each reel is wound onto it's core. The sensor which tells the machine when the end of the reel has come for the lab tech to cut the film and start winding onto a new core also triggers the CAP coding scriber to bump the code up by a value of one. So John Pytlak is correct that it really does not take any extra time for the labs to code a print and they are all indeed individually coded. Of course, there really would be no reason to encode an entire feature. However, all of the prints must have the same reel coded or bootleggers could swap reels around between prints to assemble a non-CAP coded print for their evil purposes. Traditionally this is reel 2, but "Dinosaur" featured the CAP code on reel 4 for some reason. If you screen the film and look in bright sky areas of the image for the yellowish dots flashing on for one frame every several seconds, you will clearly see them and they are incredibly distracting once you do! It is like when the first person pointed out the changeover cues. Now I can't not be distracted by them and I never miss them. Remember, I warned you at the first of this post so dont come bitching at me when you keep seeing them!

So in short, the CAP code IS real, but it is damned annoying once you see it on screen. Also, a videocamera could not possibly pick up these dots unless it is a reasonably bright scene, which is why it is printed throughout a given reel. Bootleggers beware!

Thanks to the nameless fellows who emailed me tips on finding the code and offered explanations. To John, I realize you had your hands tied with this one, but it really didn't take me long to figure this out. Even with this information above, it does not make the code any less valuable and in all actuality definitely does add a bit of fear to would be video pirates.

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John Walsh
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 - posted 05-23-2000 07:41 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If this is it, I think I came fairly close to describing the CAP code. Dots on the film; a device mounted on the printer, etc.

Maybe the CAP equipment senses how bright the frame is, and adjusts itself some how. So, if, say the 100th frame comes up and it is light, the dots are put on darker. I though they would be white, to make it easy to find even after poor videotape copies.

Pretty cool find, Carl.

Russ Kress
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Brad, we need to be able to post background music here!!!

*X-Files theme fades up*

Carl is gonna wake up in a brightly lit room telling his story to a craggly looking, stern faced man smoking a cigarette!!

Seriously, there is a reason that no-one has ever told the tail of the "cap code".

*To be continued*

*closing music fades up*

<grin>

Russ

Mark Fontana
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Very cool.

Carl, was this a scope film by any chance? The leftmost column of dots seems like it would be off the edge of the frame for 1.66 or 1.85. I wonder if the four-digit block and accompanying dots are supposed to be centered in the frame instead of being a sprocket or so off as they are here.

Carl Welles
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Actually it was a flat film. I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps a little slip up at the lab by a sprocket hole renders the CAP code useless?

Curtis Barnes
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This is interesting. It is hard for me to see how it could be captured on videotape 100% of the time. My bet is that the CAP code is not 100% effective. I'm sure that if it is 100% effective, John Pytlak will come on and inform us that it is, and that we're wrong. I'll keep a lookout for his post on that.

Also, what if you removed every 100th frame or so. Not every frame with the cap code on it, but just enough so they couldn't put together the sequence? ie: remove every 1st frame of the cap code sequence. Make sense?


Tim Reed
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Way-to-go, Carl!!!

>>Traditionally this is reel 2, but "Dinosaur" featured the CAP code on reel 4 for some reason<<

This explains why this reel (and only this reel) has been running out of focus at one of my theatres! I watched it yesterday.

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Mark Lensenmayer
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Well, Done Carl. Be sure to watch out for guys playing Elvis and driving upside down in tunnels.

The CAP code does not have to be 100% effective...it only has to be effective enough to catch a few people, so the word spreads that there IS a way to track a print to a particular theatre.

Mark L.

John Pytlak
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To CAP Code skeptics:

I wrote:

"CAP Code is real, it has been in use for 18 years, and it is effective. That is the simple TRUTH".

It really hurt to hear something I helped invent called "CRAP Code" . I would appreciate apologies from the skeptics out there who questioned my sincerity and integrity.

BUT, don't assume that CAP Code is always on a certain reel. It can be printed on any (or all) reels. It does not always have the numbers on the edge of the print to give away it's location. And what makes you think that this is the only type of CAP Code? I know that multiple coding schemes are used, sometimes all on the same print (for redundancy). You might make 1200 splices to remove the frames with this version of CAP Code, only to find you missed another, more subtle one.

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John Pytlak
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Tim: CAP Code would have no adverse effect on the sharpness of the image. Disney may have used different codes (without the edge numbers) on other reels.

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Brad Miller
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Actually the way I see it, it wouldn't matter if the CAP code was printed obviously on one reel and "hidden" on the rest. Who in their right mind would even consider bootlegging a print (or allowing it to happen) when even just one reel was known to have it?

Carl, it sounds like you've got more research to do! haha

My apologies to John Pytlak for the other CAP code thread. (You must admit though, it WAS pretty fun. )


Joe Redifer
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If Carl should apologize, then that is up to him. But for him to come on here and admit (and prove) that the CAP code is indeed real, and basically admit defeat is apology enough in my book. I believe that it was Carl who referred to it as the "CRAP code" in the first place.

Obviously, I am no longer a skeptic, and I apologize for any misleading or negative comments I may have said, but it was indeed fun! Admit it John, you had some fun, too (although probably not as much as some of the rest of us)!

I have been noticing CAP code onscreen for the last few weeks when I verify a new print. I can't stand it. John, I'll give people your phone number if they complain about print dirt that I can't clean


Brad Miller
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Joe,

I was apologizing to John for my not just tossing all disbelief aside and believing him, not on behalf of Carl. I don't tend to just believe anything I hear or read.

Joe Redifer
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Yes, I know. I was talking to John who said that he was hurt by people calling it "Crap code" and would like apologies from skeptics.

Trust me Brad, I don't even read your posts!

Just Kiddin'

Tim Reed
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>>It really hurt to hear something I helped invent called "CRAP Code" <<

John: You have my humblest apologies for my part in egging-on the naysayers. BTW, thanks for the info on the reel 4- "Dinosaurs" business... I figured it was a convenient excuse.

I think most of the people here, myself included, have the utmost respect for you. You are held in the highest esteem. I believe we all realize the awkward position you were in with this topic. It is telling of your character that you're still frequenting the forum. I sure couldn't have made it through without getting mad.

We're all the richer to enjoy your company, your advice and expertise.

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