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Topic: A.I. prints tripping proxemity sensors on failsafes.
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Randy Stankey
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Posts: 6539
From: Erie, Pennsylvania
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 06-29-2001 02:48 AM
I am told that the reason for this is either cheap film or poor image density from processing. It's unclear to me exactly what the problem is because I haven't seen it. I just got back from a theatre that is screening A.I. and their prox. failsafes have no problem. I guess I'll find out in the morning.The reason for taking the film sensor off is to bypass the failsafe yet still keep the automation functions intact. On some automations if you run in manual or use the FS BYPASS switch, some or all of the automation functions are also disabled. On the CFS consoles, when you put the automation in bypass the changeover will shut when the failsafe drops out while the projector keeps running. If the operator isn't in the immedaite vicinity there will be complaints of the picture "shutting off". Removing the FS sensor will completely disable it. The automation will think the failsafe is operating and keep running as if nothing ever happened. Of course, if there is a problem all hell may break loose. If you bypassed the FS this still might happen but you won't have to keep running over to the projector every five minutes to reopen the changeover. I have had almost zero problems with poor film quality when the "new" Comp. Eng. detectors are installed. They are the ones that either have the red dots on the side of the detector blocks or else they have the little chip on the PC board. If you have the old sensor units it will pay you in the long run to replace them. They aren't that expensive. If your company has negotiated a repair exchange agreement with the company they will cost even less. If you want to order them the part number is FM-35-PU.
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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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posted 06-29-2001 06:47 PM
When my old theatre first opened (17 sscreen, CFS Consoles, CE-FM-35.) For the first two years, we had absolutely no trouble. I had been told of potential problems but had never actually seen them.After about two years a couple of the FS started "dropping out" in seemingly random places. A couple of them were attrubuatble to poor film path alignment and a couple others were found to be caused by splices catching on the lower magazine rollers as they went by. (Question: In future revisions of the FM-35, would it be possible to include an adjustable "bobble delay"??) Once we eliminated all those problems we found that SOME of them were still dropping out. I would take the sensor unit off and clean it with Roscoe lens cleaner and a Q-tip. I have discovered that it's NOT a good idea to use Roscoe lens cleaner! It contains blue dye. If you don't get ALL the dirt of the little sensors underneath there you will actually dye the dirt blue, making the problem WORSE! I say it's better to use good old fashioned alcohol. Just make sure the unit is completely dry before reinstalling it. If you've ever wondered if there is a good use for those stupid electric hand dryers in rest rooms, here's one. Blow your sensors dry! This procedure bought us a couple of months but eventually more and more sensors started dying on us. The mean time between failures got shorter and shorter. About this time we discovered the new sensors and we bought a few of them. They worked perfectly, even with films that were reported to track unreliably. I'm not exactly sure what the cause of the trouble was. I was told that it had to do with a slow decay in the IRED's intensity. I also think that a slow build up of dirt in the sensor "windows". Even if you use a Q-Tip and reach up underneath to clean it you might not get all of it. The decay and dirt build up were a deadly one-two punch, I guess. Little by little we switched all of our failsafes to the new models and we haven't had problems for three years. As far as the current problems with current movies, I guess we should ask who is having problems and whether or not they have the newer sensor units that have either a red dot on the side of the sensor blocks or the IC chip on the PC board. I bet this info would be pretty helpful in sorting this situation out.
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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 06-30-2001 07:58 AM
There may be an explanation in the processing of the prints. According to an article in the July 2001 issue of "American Cinematographer", "A.I." used one of the non-standard processes that are designed to deliberately leave silver in the film to achieve a certain "look" on the screen. Perhaps the added density to infrared energy or a change in reflectance is somehow "fooling" the failsafe sensors. A few other pictures, including "Saving Private Ryan" and "Amistad", used a similar process. Kodak has a disclaimer regarding non-standard processes: http://www.kodak.com/country/US/en/motion/support/processing/skip.shtml ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Eastman Kodak Company Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419 Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243 E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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