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  • Hard to pardon: why Tenet's muffled dialogue is a very modern problem

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...und-technology

    There is a wonderful exchange in Christopher Nolan’s latest film, Tenet, between Robert Pattinson and John David Washington. “Hngmmhmmh,” says Pattinson. “Mmghh nmmhhmmmm nghhh,” replies Washington. Marvellous.

    This is how much of Tenet sounded to viewers in cinemas. The film’s dialogue has been criticised by reviewers and audience members for often being impossible to make out. Given how hard Nolan’s blockbuster would be to understand even if all the dialogue was crystal-clear, it is curious that the director has made it doubly difficult to hear the story of a screenplay he supposedly spent five years writing.

    But it isn’t just Nolan’s films. It’s a much-repeated claim that movie dialogue is becoming harder and harder to hear. What is going on?

    Mathew Price is a production sound mixer who has worked on The Sopranos and The Marvellous Mrs Maisel. “When they take the sound we record on set and kind of undermix it, it feels like, ‘What did we try so hard for?’” he says. Price believes the problem is partly that modern directors have so many more tracks to play with, causing “track overload”, the result being that “the dialogue gets short shrift a lot of the time”. When he watches films or TV shows at home, he turns on the subtitles in case of clarity issues – he is far from the only one – and will limit the TV’s dynamic range. (On home TVs the dynamic range is more extreme than in a cinema: this is why you often have to turn up the volume for dialogue, then down again for action.)

    Is it actually a modern phenomenon? Sound engineer Ron Bochar, who was nominated for an Oscar for his mixing on Moneyball, thinks so. “Think about it: the first few Star Wars [films], we heard them all. We heard all the lines. Listen to Apocalypse Now – you hear everything.” Price agrees: “If you watch old movies, you might hear some sound effects here and there but now they go nuts: somebody’s walking across the room in a leather jacket, you hear the zippers clink and the creak of the leather and every footstep is right in your face.”

    When television became commonplace in the mid-20th century and challenged cinema’s dominion, cinema needed to distinguish itself; it needed to prove that it could justify people leaving the comfort of their homes. It did so partly by becoming bigger and louder. In an era – and a pandemic – in which home streaming dominates, cinema may be forced to pull out the stops once more. “I think we’re bombarded,” Paul Markey, a projectionist at the Irish Film Institute, says of modern films. “The more expensive movies have got, the more of a bombardment they become on your senses.”

    For Bochar, the priority is dialogue. Working with other editors, his job is to layer a film with multiple levels of sound. As he adds layers he has to make sure he can still hear the words. “The first thing I do is create a solid dialogue track, and then everything else has to come up to it and not exceed it,” he says. “Somebody wrote the words and actors are saying those lines, so there’s got to be some priority.” He doesn’t know any re-recording artist who would deliberately obscure a story point.

    Sound effects and music tracks exist on faders that can slide up and down. This means that even “a crazy, batshit scene” with numerous layers of sound is easy for a mixer to control. “It really isn’t a mystery. We know how to do it.” This means that Nolan’s use of noisier Imax cameras in Tenet would not explain the problem, as some have suggested.

    To complicate matters, there is a disparity between the environment in which the director hears the final mix of a film and the one in which it is screened. Markey says Warren Beatty watched a screening of Bonnie and Clyde when it came out and couldn’t understand why the sound of the bullets was so quiet. The projectionist was turning the volume down. Beatty realised that projectionists, not directors, have final say on a film. Markey says that they could, for example, raise the volume of the dialogue specifically, but they never do – it would mean having to readjust it for every film.

    As with most problems, every department assumes that another department is to blame. Although many viewers claim that films are getting louder, Bochar says that the opposite is the problem: “All of us in the industry will tell you point-blank that generally every single cinema is playing it lower than it should be.” A studio’s reference level tends to be around 85 decibels, or 7 on the Dolby scale, he says. But cinemas will often play the film at 4 (around 75 decibels). The Irish Film Institute has been playing Tenet at 4, Markey says, because the recommended level will not always correspond to the cinema in which the film is showing.

    In Nolan’s case, Price and Bochar are confident that the director does it intentionally. In a 2019 Reddit AMA, sound designer Richard King – who has worked with Nolan on seven films, including Tenet – said: “He wants to grab the audience by the lapels and pull them toward the screen, and not allow the watching of his films to be a passive experience.”

    It’s hard to imagine that Nolan is unaware of the criticism. Price suspects the director wants to make the audience work harder to understand the dialogue; he thinks Nolan believes this will make the film a more immersive, engaging experience. But, Price says, “I think he is the only one in the world who believes that.”

  • #2
    If people find that they need to turn you movie's volume down to 4.5...then you mixed it badly. If you mix it well...people can and will play it "louder" and closer to if not at 7.0. Listen to a movie that Larry Blake has mixed (many Steven Soderbergh movies, including Oceans 11). You can run those movies at reference all day long and they sound good. You can also understand the dialog.

    Once upon a time, movies had to have decent sound with mono since many theatres could only support that format...as such, dialog couldn't get buried as the mixed had to be checked in mono as well.

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    • #3
      Ever since the Dark Knight Nolan's movies have a sound issue. Maybe Dunkirk was an exception, but the amount of dialog was limited, people weren't hindered as much by stuff in their faces and it didn't feature Matthew McConaughey mumbling his way through the movie.

      I guess Nolan likes it this way, given the fact that he seems to do no ADR whatsoever. I think the guy has a hearing problem and/or should fire his sound mixer.

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      • #4
        Word has it that Christopher Nolan’s new film, “Tenet,” is hard to understand. Not so. It’s a cinch—no more difficult than, say, playing mah-jongg inside a tumble dryer, while the principles of quantum mechanics are shouted at you in fluent Esperanto. In case that feels too easy, Nolan fiddles with the sound mix of the movie, thus drowning out important conversations. If you thought that Bane, the villain in Nolan’s “The Dark Knight Rises” (2012), verged on the inaudible, wait for the folks in “Tenet.” Most of them make Bane sound like Julie Andrews.
        Full article at: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...oid-of-feeling

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        • #5
          I had originally thought that I might be willing to take a day trip to Cleveland or Pittsburgh if I could find a theater playing Tenet in 70mm but, honestly, I don't think it would be worth it.

          The plot sounds hokey. Time shifting? Come on! Haven't we seen enough movies about time tripping?
          Bullets flying backwards? Didn't we do that in "The Matrix?" That's SO last century! (The Matrix came out in 1999.)

          If you really want to see an interesting movie about time tripping, try "Primer." (2004)

          Now that I know that the dialogue is unintelligible, it is virtually guaranteed that I'll never watch it, not even on Netflix.

          Why can't they make just one good movie that doesn't base its whole existence around crazy CGI and screaming sound effects?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Randy Stankey View Post
            I had originally thought that I might be willing to take a day trip to Cleveland or Pittsburgh if I could find a theater playing Tenet in 70mm but, honestly, I don't think it would be worth it.

            The plot sounds hokey. Time shifting? Come on! Haven't we seen enough movies about time tripping?
            Bullets flying backwards? Didn't we do that in "The Matrix?" That's SO last century! (The Matrix came out in 1999.)

            If you really want to see an interesting movie about time tripping, try "Primer." (2004)

            Now that I know that the dialogue is unintelligible, it is virtually guaranteed that I'll never watch it, not even on Netflix.

            Why can't they make just one good movie that doesn't base its whole existence around crazy CGI and screaming sound effects?
            Yeah, Primer is pretty thought-provoking, but the director's later movie, Upstream Color, was just weird for weirdness sake.

            But, I think you missed a few points here though..

            First of all, it's not really "time shifting", it's "time reversal" and although I have a gazillion of questions about how it is being portrayed in the movie, the way it has been set up is still quite thought provoking and it hasn't been done on this scale in any movie before.
            Also, the movie primarily uses practical effects, it features less CGI than a modern comedy.

            I don't think it's the best movie ever made, it certainly has issues (like the sound-mix), but still, it's original content, thought provoking on some parts and generally an interesting watch. That's more than you get from your 24-in-a-dozen Marvel/Star Wars/Disney/DC/insert-big-budget-crapola-here production nowadays.

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            • #7
              We've got the distinct advantage here that most cinemas are running the movie with subtitles. I don't know if Nolan approved that, but the German dub seems to articulate speech more and doesn't seem to suffer from the same issues.

              Last weekend, we helped an independent cinema that runs original versions, without subtitles, who were having a hard time with Tenet, with many complaints about people simply not being able to follow the movie. They got many complaints regarding their sound system not being good enough, although there is nothing wrong with their sound system.

              So, we did something I normally would never do: We boosted the center channel with about +1.5 dB and we installed a compressor on that same channel. We decided not to mess around with the other channels, so Nolan's vision of an ever-pounding sound-track you can feel in your bones is still present...

              We watched the entire movie both with and without compressor and the version with compressor beats the version without compressor hands down. It doesn't entirely fix it, but I think it's good enough... in any way a huge improvement.

              While I do understand that Nolan wants you to be part of the action and in reality, dialog also often gets drowned out by stuff around you, this isn't the way we watch movies. Movies rely on story telling. If I'm in a conversation with someone and I didn't understand them, I can ask them to repeat what they said. This isn't how movies work. It's frustrating for people not being able to follow the dialog, even if the dialog itself isn't all that relevant for the progress of the story.

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